Talk:Interstate 94 in Michigan/Archive 1

A marker for me
I am going to get this one going probally come wednesday afternoon/evening or the next day. In anycase I see a few changes that are required and will get those going. --Mihsfbstadium 13:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Exit List
I am sorry I have been busy working on other items. I should have gotten the exit list in a table form a long time ago. Opps. I will work harder at it. --Mihsfbstadium 21:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Edsel Ford Freeway
Does the Edsel Ford Freeway deserve its own article or should we have a section for it in this article? Currently there is nowhere for the history of that road to sit and without it the history of the I-94 is not complete. The link to Edsel Ford is less than useful. Note that currently Edsel Ford Freeway redirects to this article. PeterEastern (talk) 10:22, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Since all of the Edsel Ford Freeway, as it currently exists, carries the I-94 designation, it is properly contained here. A description of where that section of freeway is located is appropriate to the route description The history of it is appropriately interwoven through the larger history of the whole freeway, as the history section is normally somewhat of a timeline, unless the Michigan section of the larger I-94 was built in distinct sections.  Imzadi  1979   →   10:30, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding. I think there are two questions. Firstly, it the Edsel Ford Freeway notable in its own right? If so then it should have an article to cover its history up to the point that it became the I-94 (as US12 does for example). Secondly, if it is not notable then should the history section for the I-94 contain the 'pre-history' of the route, including the history for the Edsel Ford Freeway or should that be covered in a separate section for the Edsel Ford within the article. I saw that because in general where there is a redirect it is often helpful to have a section of the same name and if one starts building pre-history into road articles it can get out of hand (especially in the UK where I live where one can end up with the Romans!). Personally I think the highway is notable in its own right and I would be happy to put something together for it. PeterEastern (talk) 10:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, with Michigan, the pre-history, if it exists, is really limited to about the time of statehood in 1837. There are some notable former Indian trails that run roughly where modern highways run. As for the notability of the Edsel Ford, that's really debatable. I should contact some people from that side of the state (I live in the Grand Rapids area) but in most cases the names of the freeways are being minimized in this state and the numerical designations are being promoted more by the state. As for the history section itself, it's helpful to have a "before designation" vs. "after designation" break. That could be separate subsections, or just separate paragraphs. The standard structure though is to keep route description, history and junction list separate as the "Big Three". Our project assessment scheme relies on those sections to make the assessments through B-Class, although there are cases where the sections bear different names in specific articles.  Imzadi  1979   →   10:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding. As a background to where I am coming from, I am from the UK and have done a lot of work on transport articles for the UK over the past years. I have now just returned from a 10 day stay in Detroit and am planning to do some work on transport articles relating to this very significant city in transport history. I will try adding some Edsel Ford Freeway content to this article for starters and we can see how it pans out.PeterEastern (talk) 11:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Detroit Industrial Expressway
Would it be clearer (and more accurate) to say "to the west of Detroit it follows the route of the M-112 highway (including the 'Willow Run Expressway' and the 'Detroit Industrial Expressway')" rather than "to the west of Detroit it uses the pre-existing Detroit Industrial Expressway"? I say that because the current text seems to imply that the route does not follow the Willow Run Expressway. Does it use it? PeterEastern (talk) 11:25, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

lead
I hope no-one minds, but on a quick read, I think a reader that knows nothing of the subject would get the impression that the Blue Water Bridge is in Detroit and 94 ends there. So I am changing the last line to read "...through Detroit to Port Huron before terminating..." Happy trails! Gtwfan52 (talk) 02:42, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:Be bold. This article is on my list of ones left to overhaul. Michigan only has six C-Class highway articles left, and I plan to get to them and send them to GAN in due course this year.  Imzadi 1979  →   02:52, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * BTW don't need to "pre-clear" edits first.  Imzadi 1979  →   03:04, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I know, but out of respect for the general high quality of Michigan road articles, I thought I would mention it. Also, in another place earlier today, someone accused me of edit warring, so I guess I am a bit gunshy.  Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:21, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That's fine... The Cs (which also include I-75, I-69, US 27 and US 31) need some work, and since they're some of the longest highways in the state, I'm procrastinating a a little bit... even US 12, etc in the the B-Class are provoking the same feelings...

Improvements
Okay, per 's suggestion, I'm focusing on only one road article at a time. Here are some notes just from a first glance.


 * 1) The M-39/I-94 interchange was rebuilt sometime in the 80s, replacing a very outdated layout. I believe the MDOT maps still showed the old configuration until a few years ago, though. What source could be used here?
 * 2) The reconstruction of the Willow Run routing near Belleville is noted, but I wouldn't mind a little more specificity, since I believe the freeway was rebuilt to the north, the service drives rerouted, and the Rawsonville, Belleville, and Haggerty exits rebuilt. What could be used here as a source?
 * 3) Some maps, although I believe not the MDOT ones, show the west I-94 to Carpenter Road ramp still extant after the rest of the exit was obliterated for the current I-94/US-23 interchange. The Carpenter ramp appears on a 1970s USGS map, but I've seen errata on USGS maps before.
 * 4) Other exits that were rebuilt over time: I-94 and Ann Arbor-Saline Road, I-94 and Maple, I-94 at Michigan in Ypsi, and I-94/Merriman/Middlebelt. Should any be noted?
 * 5) Chelsea to Grass Lake uses a former routing of US-12 for the westbound lanes. This should probably be noted.
 * 6) Some improvements were made a few years ago in the Kalamazoo area. I know that the US-131 exit and the Westnedge exit were rebuilt.
 * 7) There was also an at-grade RR crossing west of US-23 removed in the 60s or so.
 * 8) Some maps show a partial interchange at Dettman Road in Jackson. Someone once showed me an MDOT document showing plans for an exit here, but I forget where it was since this was over a decade ago.

Any more? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 23:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)