Talk:Intravenous sugar solution

This page, as written, endangers the lives of patients with an IgE-mediated allergy to corn; and should be removed or edited.
Glucose (blood sugar) must never be equated with dextrose (corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch). To equate these two distinct forms of sugar (one natural; one manufactured) endangers the lives of patients with an IgE-mediated allergy to corn. Testimonies from the 12K+ members of our corn allergy support groups verify that the majority of medical professionals are oblivious to the danger of corn sugar (dextrose); e.g., medical professionals insist upon administering intravenous fluids to which corn sugar (dextrose) has been added to patients with an IgE-mediated allergy to corn in direct violation of the contraindication warning in the package insert. These incidents have resulted in serious adverse reactions requiring emergency intervention. If medical professionals are consulting Wikipedia regarding dextrose IV fluids, this would explain (but not excuse) their lack of knowledge of the critical difference between blood sugar (glucose) and dextrose (corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch). Therefore, this article, as written, also exposes medical professionals to potential liability; since they are required to verify the "source of all excipients" in drug/biologic products prior to prescribing/administering these products.

This matter is so serious that I personally contacted Baxter Healthcare Ltd on August 6, 2020. A member of one of our corn allergy support groups who resides in the United Kingdom discovered that corn sugar (dextrose) IV fluid sold outside of the United States by Baxter Healthcare Ltd is labeled as “Glucose 5% Intravenous Infusion BP.” It is clearly corn sugar (dextrose) IV fluid, since the product information sheet does include contraindication warnings for administration to corn-allergic patients. Since glucose is blood sugar, physicians may not realize that this product is actually corn sugar (dextrose) IV fluid, thus potentially endangering the lives of corn-allergic patients. I placed an emergency call to Baxter Quality Control Department, 1-800-437-5176; and they are taking this matter very seriously, and are expediting our concerns about the labeling of this product for the safety of corn-allergic patients. 

For your edification, glucose (blood sugar) is never added to intravenous sugar solutions; because blood sugar (glucose) is not an independent ingredient. Intravenous solutions to which dextrose (corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch) has been added are clearly contraindicated for administration to corn-allergic patients.

Glucose (blood sugar) cannot provoke an allergic response; whereas, dextrose (corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch) can prove fatal to corn-allergic patients. Therefore, the terms "blood sugar" (glucose) and "corn sugar" (dextrose) must never be used interchangeably for the safety of patients with an IgE-mediated allergy to corn. The false narrative of equating glucose (blood sugar) with dextrose (corn sugar) appears to have been initiated by the corn industry decades ago, and the NIH National Library of Medicine is complicit in propagating this false narrative. 

Glucose (blood sugar) and dextrose (corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch) are not "biochemically identical." The molecular weights of the following two compounds are not identical. Therefore, which one of these molecular formulas represents straight blood sugar (glucose): the "main sugar that the body manufactures [and] serves as the major source of energy for living cells?” It is clear that the definition of glucose (blood sugar) by Dr. William C. Shiel, Jr. supports the fact that glucose (blood sugar) cannot be equated with corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch (dextrose), since our body does not manufacture corn sugar (dextrose).

Re: PubChem CID 79025, alpha-D-Glucose: The Molecular Formula, C6H12O6, is a corn sugar (dextrose) formulation; and has a Molecular Weight of 180.16 g/mol. 

Re: PubChem CID 66370, Dextrose: The Molecular Formula, C6H14O7, is also a corn sugar (dextrose) formulation; and has a Molecular Weight of 198.17 g/mol. 

Since this page, as written, endangers the lives of patients with an IgE-mediated allergy to corn, in addition to exposing medical professionals to potential liability; I am submitting an urgent appeal for the immediate removal or edit of this page.DextroseIsCornSugar (talk) 16:40, 12 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I've moved your comment to this talk page. We haven't normally put discussion content in the articles themselves since about 2002.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:34, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for sharing your concerns. I've been able to find one (1) suspected (not proven) reaction to a dextrose solution in the medical literature, from about 30 years ago.  Before that, everything comes from a single author in the 1950s.
 * I'm afraid that you have misunderstood the PubChem pages that you're looking at. The "dextrose" formula is a page for dextrose monohydrate, i.e., two separate molecules:  one that's dextrose and one that's an ordinary water molecule.  The chemical formula there is really C6H12O6 + H2O (two separate molecules, two separate formulas).  The difference between glucose and dextrose is that they are isomers.  That means the same number of atoms, but (in this case) mirror-imaged into "left-handed" and "right-handed" arrangements.
 * In general, people are not allergic to simple sugars. A person who was allergic to dextrose itself would be allergic to basically all fruit, including grapes, dates, oranges, peaches, strawberries, and melons.  Dextrose is an extremely common sugar in the plant kingdom – more common than glucose.  The primary potential for an allergic reaction comes from the possibility of tiny amounts of non-dextrose contaminants from the source, (e.g., Zein corn proteins). WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:04, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, the US FDA's definition of corn sugar is that it's dextrose that's made from corn starch, but the definition of dextrose is that it's dextrose made from any source. Corn's a common source these days, but it's not the only possible source. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:14, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Please name one fruit that naturally contains dextrose (corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch). No one in our corn allergy support groups react to fruits (unless they are coated with corn-based wax coatings).


 * Reported reactions to dextrose (corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch), in addition to personal testimonies from the 12K+ members in online corn allergy support groups.


 * In what year was corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch initially synthesized to have the same molecular formula as blood sugar (glucose)?


 * Please name other specific sources of dextrose (corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch); e.g., wheat, oats, diary, seafood, etc. The link you provided does not specify other sources, only that "corn . . ." must be included in the blank; e.g., Corn Sugar, Corn Sugar Monohydrate, etc.


 * The confusion about these two sources of sugar has resulted in false and misleading references on the Internet, thereby endangering the lives of corn-allergic consumers and patients.

"Glucose also known as dextrose . . ." Glucose (blood sugar) is not dextrose (corn sugar), and dextrose (corn sugar) is not glucose (blood sugar). 

“Dextrose is also naturally found in fruits, honey and grains.” It is impossible for dextrose (corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch) to be found naturally in any food/drug/biologic product. 

"Simple sugars, including dextrose, fructose, and glucose, appear in foods such as table sugar, honey, and bread." It is impossible for dextrose (corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch) to be found naturally in any food/drug/biologic product. 

“Dextrose (glucose) is a form of natural sugar that is normally produced by the liver.” Dextrose (corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch) is not glucose, is not natural, and is not produced by the liver. 

"Dextrose . . . is made from corn (plus sometimes other veggies)." The only source of dextrose is corn per Code of Federal Regulation 21CFR184.1857 which is why dextrose is contraindicated for anyone with an IgE-mediated allergy to corn. 

"When dextrose is injected, it feeds your body’s cells with glucose." When dextrose is injected, it feeds your body’s cells with “corn sugar” – not glucose (blood sugar). 

“Although dextrose is derived from plants and is considered a "natural" product. . . “ The only source of dextrose is corn, and it is manufactured from cornstarch; therefore, it is not “natural.”

“(Redirected from Dextrose)” Wikipedia erroneously redirects the reader to “Glucose” if “Dextrose” is searched. 

“Dextrose is. . . found in many everyday food items such as. . . honey.” Since dextrose is corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch, it’s impossible for dextrose to be found “naturally” in honey. 

“. . . found in plants and animals and in human blood, and made by the hydrolysis of starch with acids or enzymes.” Since dextrose is corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch, it is not found naturally in plants, animals, or human blood. 

“Dextrose. . . is found in fruits, honey, etc.” It is impossible for dextrose (corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch) to be found naturally in any food/drug/biologic product. 

"Dextrose is a natural form of sugar that is found in fruits, honey, and in the blood of animals." It is impossible for dextrose (corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch) to be found naturally in the blood of animals or any food/drug/biologic product. 

"Dextrose: a type of sugar that is found in fruit." It is impossible for dextrose (corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch) to be found naturally in any food/drug/biologic product. 

“Dextrose. . . found in honey and sweet fruits.” It is impossible for dextrose (corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch) to be found naturally in any food/drug/biologic product. 

Thank you.DextroseIsCornSugar (talk) 21:48, 12 September 2020 (UTC)


 * DextroseIsCornSugar, I think you've misunderstood the definition. Maybe this will help:
 * You: The FDA defines (a) corn sugar as being (b) dextrose made from (c) corn.  Therefore, all (b) dextrose is made from (c) corn!
 * Me: The FDA defines (a) red wine as being (b) an alcoholic beverage made from (c) grapes.  Therefore, all (b) alcoholic beverages are made from (c) grapes!
 * Except, you know, for all those non-grape fruit wines. And beer.  And most liquors.  And all those other alcoholic beverages that aren't made from grapes.
 * In our logical proposition that "The FDA defines (a) as being (b) made from (c)", it's true that all (a) are made from (c), but it does not follow that all (b) is made from (c).
 * The FDA has an actual definition of dextrose. That definition says:
 * "(a) Dextrose anhydrous is purified and crystallized D-glucose without water of crystallization and conforms to the specifications of §168.111, except that the total solids content is not less than 98.0 percent m/m.
 * (b) The name of the food is “Dextrose anhydrous” or “Anhydrous dextrose” or alternatively, “___ sugar anhydrous” or “Anhydrous sugar”, with the blank to be filled with the name of the food source, for example, “Corn sugar anhydrous”."
 * "Corn" isn't the only thing that can be put into the blank. For example, https://www.amazon.com/Mikes-Mix-Tapioca-Dextrose-GMO-Free/dp/B01ACE9KWC, which is a corn-free dextrose, puts "tapioca" into that blank.  If you look at the ingredients, it says "100% tapioca dextrose".  https://smile.amazon.com/True-Nutrition-Dextrose-Powder-1lb/dp/B084ZY59JL is dextrose made from brown rice.  "Wheat dextrose" is relatively common in Europe.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:16, 12 September 2020 (UTC)


 * My 2¢: From a cursory glance of package inserts, it does appear to me that dextrose solutions (such as D5W and the like) are explicitly contraindicated in corn allergy. However, that does not mean that they derive their sugar from corn - commonly in medicine, a "blanket" warning/contraindication is used when the cost to narrow it down is not worth it - which is the case for such a cheap solution as dextrose ones. See also the black box warning regarding suicidal ideation and antidepressants - not all of them are equally likely to cause it, and in fact there's a couple which have been shown to not cause an increased risk - but the black box warning is still there as a class because it's "easier" and not worth it to make it more specified.Note that per WP:MEDMOS, a contraindications section is a perfectly valid consideration for this article - would both User:WhatamIdoing and DextroseIsCornSugar be happy if such a section was added, covering the labelled contraindications to dextrose solutions, including sensitivity to corn? If so, I can work on this tonight. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 23:41, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Incomplete list of inserts of note:    and more. Note however, that some, such as   do not include corn hypersensitivity - only hypersensitivity to dextrose itself. Note that even progesterone, which is only commercially available in peanut-derived capsules, does not itself carry a direct contraindication of "peanut allergy" - it is product specific only for those products (i.e. every commercially produced capsule, but not creams/etc) which it affects. Likewise, there appear to be some dextrose solutions which are not derived from corn, thus do not carry a contraindication for corn sensitivity. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 00:02, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * We usually repeat whatever the package inserts say, but in this case, I think there might be some "CYA" going on in those labels, rather than real risks. There hasn't been a single proven case of corn-related allergic reaction to dextrose in an IV solution.  The most recent suspected case was 30 years ago.
 * ISBN 9780071801850 says "Most dextrose products are derived from corn, so they should not be used in patients with of [sic] severe corn allergy" on page 735.   That's from 2014, and is the most recent reference book that I can find that says anything like this. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:06, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Just as another point of information, Lexicomp says Injectable: Hypersensitivity to dextrose, corn or corn products, or any component of the formulation...Contraindications may vary by product (also refer to manufacturer's labeling)., and clinical key says Dextrose injection solutions are contraindicated in patients with a dextrose hypersensitivity...Use dextrose injection solutions with caution in patients with severe corn hypersensitivity. Some intravenous solution manufacturers caution that the dextrose in the solutions may be derived from corn. - Micromedex doesn't mention corn at all.. three different answers haha. This article could use a lot of work but unfortunately I'm not sure I can put the time into it right now :/ -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 03:07, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * They are not required to mention "corn," because the definition of dextrose is corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch per Code of Federal Regulation 21CFR184.1857 DextroseIsCornSugar (talk) 03:26, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No, the definition of corn sugar is dextrose. You're still making that "apples are fruit, so all fruits are apples" mistake.   WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:12, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Protecting corn-allergic patients from medical professionals who are not aware that corn sugar (dextrose) IV fluids are contraindicated for administration to corn-allergic patients.
These are instructions that have been prepared for the 12K+ members of our corn allergy support groups:

"If dextrose IV fluid is administered to you, particularly if your allergy to corn is clearly documented in your medical records, please report the incident as follows:

1.     Submit a Patient Safety Event Report with The Joint Commission.  2.     File a Patient Safety Event Report with the state health department in which the medical facility is located.

3.     Obtain the name of the person who administered the dextrose IV fluid, and file a complaint with their state licensing board. They are also required to report this medical error. 

4.     File a Patient Safety Event Report with the administrator of the medical facility where the incident occurred.

5.     Demand that they pull the package insert accompanying Lactated Ringer’s in 5% dextrose IV fluid. If they cannot locate this package insert, immediately document this incident; and demand that they sign a statement that the package insert is unavailable for review.

6.     Consider consulting with legal counsel, since Lactated Ringer’s in 5% Dextrose IV fluids are clearly contraindicated for administration to corn-allergic patients in the package insert. In addition, medical professionals are required to verify the "source" of all excipients prior to prescribing/administering drug/biologic products to their patients with IgE-mediated allergies, even if no contraindication warning is present on the drug label."  DextroseIsCornSugar (talk) 22:01, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Sources of Dextrose
Which United States government agency would be able to specifically identify other sources of dextrose besides corn? Thank you very much.DextroseIsCornSugar (talk) 23:19, 12 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia, so we don't focus exclusively on US government agencies.
 * In fact, I'm not sure that it makes sense to focus on government agencies. I've given you links above to places where anyone can buy non-corn dextrose, so obviously that exists.  Maybe searching Google Scholar or Google Books would produce more information. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia warns against citing their articles.

"Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_reliable_source#:~:text=Wikipedia%20can%20be%20edited%20by,progress%2C%20or%20just%20plain%20wrong.&text=Therefore%2C%20Wikipedia%20should%20not%20be,source%20in%20and%20of%20itself


 * The NIH National Library of Medicine cites Wikipedia 9 times in one publication, alone:

Is it usual and customary for government agencies to cite Wikipedia in official government publications?https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Inositol#section=DSSTox-Substance-ID


 * The NIH National Library of Medicine is endangering the lives of citizens with an IgE-mediated allergy to corn; e.g., they informed me in an email that blood sugar (glucose) and corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch (dextrose) are one and the same. This is a false narrative that appears to have been initiated by the corn industry decades ago. Due to their blatant propagation of this false narrative, physicians continue to endanger the lives of patients with an IgE-mediated allergy to corn by equating glucose (blood sugar) with dextrose (corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch), and insist upon administering intravenous IV fluids to which corn sugar (dextrose) has been added to corn-allergic patients, in direct violation of the contraindication warning in the package insert.  This has been verified from the personal testimonies in our corn allergy support groups of over 12K members.


 * Corn industry propaganda.

“Dextrose: All-American Corn Sugar,” Candy Professor, September 29, 2010 https://candyprofessor.com/2010/09/29/dextrose-all-american-corn-sugar/#:~:text=But%20by%201866%2C%20someone%20figured,dextrose%20from%20that%20corn%20starch


 * Dextrose cannot be found naturally in any living organism. It is corn sugar that is added to food, drug, and biologic products.  We, the corn allergy population, regularly investigate any company that is falsely advertising their products as "corn free" -- particularly when that product contains dextrose. We request that they guarantee, in writing, that their products are safe to consume by anyone anaphylactic to corn.  They usually comply with correcting their corn-free claims. If they refuse to comply, one member of our corn allergy support groups (not anaphylactic) will offer to conduct an oral challenge of that product. That person will then file an adverse reaction report with the applicable department of health. We are not only required to educate medical and academic professionals, but also food manufacturers; e.g., one company claimed their product was corn free, but contained allulose.  They immediately removed their corn-free claim after they discovered that allulose is a synthetic sugar usually derived from corn. There is no such product as corn-free dextrose; therefore, we will immediately launch investigations of these companies advertising that their dextrose is corn free.  Thank you very much for providing us with the names of these companies.DextroseIsCornSugar (talk) 20:34, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * The most important addition to Wikipedia would be a separate page for "Dextrose." I submitted a page, but it was rejected.  Thus, the lives of corn-allergic patients remain in danger if medical professionals happen to research Wikipedia for dextrose vs. glucose.  Wikipedia erroneously redirects the reader to "Glucose" if "Dextrose" is researched.  These are two completely distinct forms of sugar (one natural; one manufactured from cornstarch) which should never be equated as equal. Again, blood sugar (glucose) cannot provoke an allergic reaction; whereas, corn sugar manufactured from cornstarch (dextrose) can prove fatal to anyone with an IgE-mediated allergy to corn. I mean no disrespect, but my blood glucose meter is not referred to as a dextrose meter; since that would refer to measuring corn sugar in the blood.


 * In addition, all references to glucose should not be followed by the word dextrose in parentheses. Likewise, all references to dextrose should not be followed by the word glucose in parentheses.DextroseIsCornSugar (talk) 03:14, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The page at Wikipedia is not a reliable source is meant to discourage Wikipedia editors from using it as a source for Wikipedia articles. It says that right there in the box at the top of the page:  "Do not use a Wikipedia article as a source for another Wikipedia article ".  What other websites choose to do is up to them. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:15, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * "These are two completely distinct forms of sugar (one natural; one manufactured from cornstarch)" It's kind of difficult to know how to respond to this. From a little reading it seems clear that dextrose is a form of glucose and virtually all glucose found in food is dextrose. Saying dextrose is not glucose is just not true, so it's difficult to know how to respond. I imagine the *name* dextrose rather than glucose might be used in different context, and perhaps when glucose is referred to as dextrose it might be more likely to come from corn. The only way we can reach any form of agreement on this topic is through the indirect trust of scientific, journalistic and government sources.. because otherwise there is no way of you making me believe something I do not already believe, and you don't seem to really be providing them Talpedia (talk) 16:45, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Dextrose is corn sugar, and corn sugar is dextrose (confirmed).
The following article by Carl R. Fellers, Ph.D., F.A.P.H.A., confirms that corn sugar is dextrose, and dextrose is corn sugar.

“DEXTROSE or refined corn sugar is a relatively new sweetening and preserving agent in the food industries. It was not until 1922 that Newkirk made possible the commercial manufacture of dextrose by his special crystallization process. Refined dextrose is made by converting highly purified starch with hydrochloric acid. Anhydrous dextrose is prepared by recrystallization of the hydrated dextrose, ground very fine and heated to 600C. to remove the molecule of water of crystallization. This is the form of dextrose used for intravenous injections and in various pharmaceutical and medicinal preparations.” DextroseIsCornSugar (talk) 00:48, 15 September 2020 (UTC)1
 * Thank you for the link. That papers comes from 1939, so it is not recent. It does seem possible that at the time most dextrose was produced from corn syrup at the time. Talpedia (talk) 01:07, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Having a look at other historic papers. This paper seems to use the term "dextrose" to refer precisely to a single chemical, and use "glucose" to refer more generally to commercial sold surgar. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1709246/pdf/canmedaj00466-0080.pdf "The chemical answser to this quiestion is very different from the commercial one. Chemically, glucose,CYH1206, is the aldehyde derivative of apolyatomic alcohol. It is a monosaccharide, as distinguished from the disaccharides and polysaccharides.It has a caloric value of 4.1. Commercially considered,"glucose" may be a mixture of dextrose,maltose,often canesugar,dextrine and water". Talpedia (talk) 01:24, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'm going to flat out ask, what's your motivation here? Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and not one of your posts here has been a clear suggestion to make any encyclopedic change. You furthermore have split this discussion into four sections, and contributed a total of 12,000 bytes (approximately that many characters) without any concrete suggestion for improvement that I can find. Please note that it is not acceptable to use talk pages for generalized discussion of a topic not directly related to editing the encyclopedia article. I'll note you have yet to respond to me in the first section where I point out that many dextrose preparations are not contraindicated in patients with corn allergies, and that medical references do not support your claims here. You also have not responded to many other rebuttals from two other editors here.
 * So, since you won't respond to those, I'm going to bluntly ask you: What's your goal here? Wikipedia isn't here to "fix" what you think is wrong with the world - it's here to be an encyclopedia. If your only goal here is to "fix" the claim that dextrose is not glucose or that it only refers to glucose produced from corn, then that's not going to happen. If your goal is to change the English language, that's not going to happen. I'll note that Merriam-Webster and the Oxford English Dictionary (cannot provide direct link because my access is paywalled behind a unique URL) make ZERO mention of corn anywhere in their definitions of dextrose. This is because, unlike your claims, the definition of "dextrose" is not corn sugar, but "dextrorotary glucose. I think you've been shown great patience here with people attempting to work with you, but you have yet to provide an encyclopedic suggestion. Please cease using this talk page to push your point of view and only post again if you wish to actually propose encyclopedic changes to the article. I recommend you post the desired changes as succinctly as possible so they can be easily understood and evaluated, if you wish to do so. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 01:33, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm, Summarizing my understanding. It seems to be the case that DextroseIsCornSugar believes that many forms of sugar derived from corn are dangerous to those with allergies to corn. They believe that sugar labelled dextrose is in general derived from corn and so dangerous to people with corn allergies - and by extension dextrose intravenous sugar is dangerous. I imagine they want the page to say something along the line of "intravenous dextrose solution is contraindicated for those who are allergic to corn". If you believed that this was the case, and were yourself allergic to corn, having experienced allergic responses before, I imagine this behaviour is understandable. Unfortunately, if inaccurate, this advice is dangerous to those with corn allergies as it may lead them to refuse necessary treatment. I suspect this reply here is in my response to saying that nothing can be done without references, they have provided references. Unfortunately the reference is rather old. Talpedia (talk) 01:57, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Some (but not all) of the modern medical sources encourage caution for people with severe (not mild or moderate) corn allergies. "Caution" means things like giving antihistamines first, or assigning a nurse to check for signs of an allergic reaction.  The number of suspected cases of adverse effects from IV dextrose due to corn allergy that have been reported in the medical literature during the last 30 years is one (1).  The number of proven cases is zero.
 * Given that dextrose manufactured in Europe is usually made from potato or wheat, I wonder whether the dextrose solutions in Europe are corn-free. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:18, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Given that dextrose manufactured in Europe is usually made from potato or wheat, I wonder whether the dextrose solutions in Europe are corn-free. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:18, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

My sole purpose on Wikipedia is the protect the lives of corn-allergic consumers and patients.
I wish to extend my heartfelt appreciation to all of the contributors to this thread for the utmost kindness and respect you have afforded me related to my advocacy efforts on behalf of individuals diagnosed with an IgE-mediated allergy to corn.DextroseIsCornSugar (talk) 05:04, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , I'm not sure you clicked any of the links I gave to you in my last post. WP:SOAPBOX - Wikipedia is not a soapbox, a battleground, or a vehicle for propaganda, advertising and showcasing. Therefore, content hosted in Wikipedia is not for: Advocacy, propaganda, or recruitment of any kind: commercial, political, scientific, religious, national, sports-related, or otherwise. and from WP:ADVOCACY - Some editors come to Wikipedia with the goal of raising the visibility or credibility of a specific topic, term or viewpoint leading to disproportionate coverage, false balance and reference spamming. When advocates of specific views prioritize their agendas over the project's goals or factions with different agendas, battling to install their favored content, edit-warring and other disruptions ensue... Disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point and disruptive editing can provide the basis for blocking an editor... Wikipedia is not a platform for public relations campaigns, even for worthy causes. If your sole purpose here is to "advoc[ate]... on behalf of individuals diagnosed with an IgE-mediated allergy to corn", then you will not find what you're looking for here, and will likely find yourself blocked if you continue this "advocacy" - especially if you keep spamming talk pages with it. By the way, saying "IgE-mediated allergy" every time is an example of you using a "scare term" - an "IgE-mediated allergy" is the same as saying "allergy" - nobody says "I have an IgE-mediated allergy to peanuts", they just say "I'm allergic to peanuts". Not to mention that on asking multiple people I know who are well respected in the fields of allergy, immunology, and microbiology, none of them agree with you that purified sugar from a corn source would pose a risk to someone with an allergy to corn proteins.
 * Given that you've now admitted your sole purpose here is advocacy, I recommend you stop posting this sort of message on talk pages. If you continue, I will have to request an administrator intervene. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 06:05, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Anyone posting on a Wikipedia talk page is an advocate for correcting misinformation. After discovering misinformation on multiple media platforms, I felt compelled to correct this misinformation for the protection of the corn allergy population.  With each post, I supplied applicable cited articles.  Thank you again for your kind and considerate contributions to this thread.DextroseIsCornSugar (talk) 06:40, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You supplied very weak citations, and you have yet to rebut any of the citations or information any of us said. And no, not “anyone” is advocating against “misinformation” like you are. Your position is WP:FRINGE - akin to saying “vaccines cause autism” - whether your believe it is or not. Wikipedia is not the place for you to advocate for your fringe views. I will not be responding further here and if you make further posts of this nature I will request an administrator to take further action. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 18:37, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the new editor has been doing what's possible with the information they had, and genuinely doesn't mean to be disruptive. We all seem to have a little more information now.  The next thing to do is to sit back and think about the information and to remember that There is no deadline.  Wikipedia will be here next week.  We don't need to rush in in a panic and make changes this minute.   WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:54, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * True enough: every Wikipedia editor is interested in reducing misinformation.
 * Berchanhimez, the reason for specifying IgE-mediated allergy is that a lot of people claim to be "allergic" when they're intolerant, or just don't like a given food. It matters with corn allergy, because the specific allergens are unknown, true allergies to corn are rare, and corn intolerances (IgG or otherwise) are relatively common.  Also, because of corn's use in processed foods, you can get people who think they're allergic to corn, and who actually do feel better when they avoid corn products, but whose actual allergy is one of the unlabeled chemicals used in processed foods.  Not every chemical used in processing foods currently needs to be listed on the label.  For example, the mayonnaise in my refrigerator probably contains some polyethylene glycol.  Every colonoscopy department knows that a small number of people are deathly allergic to PEG, but it's not mentioned on the label. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:51, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Berchanhimez, the reason for specifying IgE-mediated allergy is that a lot of people claim to be "allergic" when they're intolerant, or just don't like a given food. It matters with corn allergy, because the specific allergens are unknown, true allergies to corn are rare, and corn intolerances (IgG or otherwise) are relatively common.  Also, because of corn's use in processed foods, you can get people who think they're allergic to corn, and who actually do feel better when they avoid corn products, but whose actual allergy is one of the unlabeled chemicals used in processed foods.  Not every chemical used in processing foods currently needs to be listed on the label.  For example, the mayonnaise in my refrigerator probably contains some polyethylene glycol.  Every colonoscopy department knows that a small number of people are deathly allergic to PEG, but it's not mentioned on the label. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:51, 15 September 2020 (UTC)