Talk:Invasion of Privacy (album)

Drip is a promotional single
Cardi B herself didn't call Drip a single. She simply said her new song is out. Compared to when she directly called Be Careful a single. Drip was also never sent to radio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ELEMONATED (talk • contribs) 20:22, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Refer to User talk:Hayman30, not gonna repeat what I've said. Please discuss before making any further reverts. Hayman30 (talk) 00:08, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * User:ELEMONATED and User:Cornerstonepicker are right. Drip is a promo single. It was released with the album preorder a day before the album release. Cardi announced it as "a new song" on her Instagram. Not the album's fourth single. The writer from Vibe vaguely calling it a single does not make it the album's fourth official single. Salute magazine calls it a promo single. Like the others have said, it is not being sent to radio. In fact, AllAccess confirmed "I Like It" as the next single to be sent to pop radio instead. Bardigang (talk) 17:06, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Omg. Her calling it a song doesn't mean it's not a single. Salute magazine is a WordPress site hence is unreliable. Both E! News and Vibe are identified as reliable sources. Also, singles are not required to be sent to radio. Hayman30 (talk) 18:17, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Media outlets calling it the "new single" does not make it a single. They do this all the time. NME called "Call It What You Want" by Taylor Swift a single and Rolling Stone called "Dope" by Lady Gaga a single yet they are promotoinal singles. Same with "Drip" they were not promoted to radio and were released as instant grats to promote the album release; thus they are not singles. Your sources don't call it the 4th single and you are spreading false info. You clearly don't know how these things work and 3 editors have reverted and disagreed with you - give it a rest. Bardigang (talk) 18:46, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh wow that makes perfect sense. A song is not a single because some random guy on Wikipedia is against it being a single. Wikipedia is based on sources, not their user's views. 3 editors have disagreed with me so I must be wrong? You may be the one who "don't know how these things work", 3:1 does not indicate consensus ;-). Just calm down dude. Hayman30 (talk) 19:03, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's clear you are wrong and you are just editing as a matter of personal preference. Your sources dont even call it the 4th single. It is a promotional single, get over it. Bardigang (talk) 19:07, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * They called it a single, that's more than sufficient, the level of detail you're requiring is ridiculously absurd. You're just bitching over minor shit now to back yourself up. It's a single and reliable sources are calling it a single. Stop arguing based on nothing but your personal belief. Hayman30 (talk) 19:16, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It is not my personal belief. As I explained above with "Dope" and "Call It What You Want" media outlets call promo· singles "new singles" all the time because they are new singles but that does not make them an official single. Cardi B has not confirmed it and infact "Be Careful" and "I Like It" are being sent to radio not "Drip". Yeah your sources are reliable but they do not support "Drip" as the album's fourth single as they do not call it that and "I Like It" is being sent to pop radio instead. "Drip" was released as an instant grat promo single whether you like it or not. Bardigang (talk) 19:27, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Idolator call it a "buzz track". Bardigang (talk) 19:55, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The only reason why users agreed to include those Reputation singles is because they were all sent to radio. As I said before, media calls all promotional singles, singles. "Drip" is a promo single. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 03:35, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

You are just repeating yourself. If media outlets calling it a single doesn't make it a single, what would? It being sent to radio? In fact, "Bartier Cardi" and "Be Careful" were not sent to radio either. Are they promo singles now? They called it a single, they don't have to go as specific as calling it "the album's fourth single", we sort singles by their release date. Your entire argument is based on nothing but personal belief. You've got no reliable source whatsoever calling it a promo single. And oh my god, a single is a song/track, calling it a song/track has nothing to do with its status as a single. That's just your opinion, there has never been a community consensus on this matter. We all know "Drip" is a promo single, admittedly I do too. I even drafted the page calling it a promo, but then I realized there's sources calling it a single. I mean, are we just gonna say that we can't trust these sources and consider the song as a promo single entirely based on our personal belief?. Hayman30 (talk) 04:40, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Hayman30 according to Wikipedia's article for promotional recording: "In music, a buzz single or advance single is a track or promotional song, released by the label (typically) preceding the album's release. The song(s) are released in order to bring attention to an album's release. Buzz singles are not typically issued to radio as promotional singles, due to the fact that they are only intended to attract minor attention compared to a regular single." [Idolator, a reliable source, call it a "buzz track" and in album reviews after the release of "Drip", both XXL and The New York Times] refer to "Be Careful" as the new single and "Drip" as just a track. Media outlets calling songs "singles" upon release should be taken with a grain of salt as they vaguely don't refer to what type of single it is. If we were to base it on what some sources say then songs like "Dope", "Venus", "Call It What You Want" etc would all not be promo singles as well because some sources call them singles when they are not. Numerous sources and Cardi herself have referred to "Drip" as just a song from the album and not a single. Sorry for the long paragraph, it just feels like you are not seeing the points we have been trying to make. Bardigang (talk) 03:10, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * You explained it better than me. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 04:31, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Neither are you seeing the points I've been trying to make? Calling "Drip" a song/track doesn't mean it's not a single, a single itself is a song/track, stop bringing up this argument. It's really not up to us to consider what is to be taken with a grain of salt, what makes Idolator a more reliable source than E! News and Vibe in this case? We cannot decide which source to use simply because simply disagree with what other sources says on our own behalf. How did you evaluate whether their statement of "Drip" being a single is vague or not? Hayman30 (talk) 13:03, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I opened a request at the Dispute resolution noticeboard because this is not going anywhere. Bardigang (talk) 14:57, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with . It appears that "Drip" is a promotional single, similar to "Supastars" of off Culture II. Sources call the song a "single" without differentiating between a usual single and one for solely promotional purposes. Nice4What (talk) 23:23, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Media outlets calling songs released singles should not be taken 100% accurate all the time. We should be implementing the same rules all across Wikipedia, therefore we should go by Wikipedia's own definition of a promotional single being "an audio or video recording distributed free, usually in order to promote a recording that is or soon will be commercially available". Drip fits exactly that. ELEMONATED (talk) 21:37, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Again, how do we assess whether publications are "vaguely" calling the song a single or not? So what makes Idolator more accurate? Wikipedia's definition for promotional singles have been widely deemed outdated, the section is even tagged for being outdated. Hayman30 (talk) 16:29, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Hayman30 You are contradicting yourself and clutching at straws at this point. Bardigang (talk) 19:52, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not, "Bardigang". You better sort out your COI issues first. Hayman30 (talk) 19:56, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * You should know better to not personalize content disputes, and actually think that it is no coincidence that everyone is disagreeing with you before "going there" on a false COI accusation... No sources or the artist herself have confirmed it as the 4th single. As we keep repeatedly telling you, your sources are vague by calling it "a single" because they don't clarify what type of single it is. Ie. "Fourth official single" or "promo single" or "non album single" etc. And now that we provide you with a source clarifying it as a promo/buzz single. You yourself have even admitted in this discussion that you recognize that "Drip" is a promo single. I'm starting to think we have a WP:COMMONSENSE issue here. Bardigang (talk) 21:09, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Everyone disagreeing with me doesn't mean I'm wrong. This is not a false accusation; we all know "Bardigang" is the name of Cardi B's army, and you primarily edit articles about Cardi B. I think it goes without saying that you have a significant conflict of interest. Anyway, you're still unable to get my point. Publications do not have to go as specific as calling it the fourth single. Referring to it as a single is more than sufficient. And again, what makes Idolator a more reliable source than the other two? You are deeming other sources unreliable because they contradict your personal belief. We can argue all day long if we can't move beyond this point. Me recognizing the song as a promo single has nothing to do with this—Wikipedia is based on sources, not what their editors think. Hayman30 (talk) 03:46, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * This is literally a promo single and you're the only person who (half heartedly, mind you) still wants this to be considered a single. Be Careful has been promoted to radio and released as a seperate single before album release. Drip was released with no single artwork, no individual purchase, and was not promoted as a single by the label nor sent to radio. Literally 90% of news sites call promo singles singles because they don't dwelve into music far enough to even clarify those kinds of specifics. 2600:1003:B119:2CE1:3402:FE4C:7F22:E6BD (talk) 20:00, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Whether it has been sent to radio or not is not the only determining factor, y'all are still using this to back yourselves up. Bartier Cardi was not sent to radio either, does that make it a promo single? Again, you are just denying what sources say by analysing them in your own way (i.e. they're calling the song a promo single when they refer to it as a single because I think so). Just stick with what the source says. Hayman30 (talk) 08:58, 26 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Late to the discussion, sorry, but as I mentioned elsewhere on this page, the song currently sits at #46 on the Mediabase Urban chart in the U.S. and received 100+ spins on SiriusXM Hip Hop Nation in the last seven days. The chart position isn't the greatest, but precedent has been established for a song in that type of position to be declared notable. Striker force Talk 13:20, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2018
"Drip" to be ammended from 4th single to promo single as per my explanation above. Bardigang (talk) 17:11, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Hayman30 (talk) 18:18, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Drip RFC
Should Drip (song) be listed as (A) a single or as (B) a promotional single? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:03, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Please cast your !votes in the Survey along with optional very brief comments, but do not engage in back-and-forth discussion. Back-and-forth discussion can be included in the Threaded Discussion (that’s what it’s for). Robert McClenon (talk) 18:03, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Survey
B ELEMONATED (talk) 02:06, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

B

B Song is currently receiving enough airplay in the U.S. to put it at #46 on the Mediabase Urban chart and it received 100+ spins on SiriusXM Hip Hop Nation in the last seven days. Notable enough to keep its own article, IMO. Striker force Talk 13:18, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

B It wasn't sent to radio for official impact, didn't get promoted as a single and "I Like It" is what was actually sent to radio as the 4th single via Pop and Rhythmic formats. We just don't have an All Access Link to prove it yet. 2600:1003:B122:7F7E:95BF:173B:FF5B:BB65 (talk) 15:30, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

B If there are no official dates for radio, it isn't an official single. It might become later. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:01, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

A I can't stress enough that whether it has been sent to radio is not the only nor major determining factor, y'all still don't seem to get the point. Hayman30 (talk) 12:17, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Question Can you elaborate on this? What are the other major determining factors? Summoned by a bot. Thanks! Comatmebro (talk) 07:18, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * There isn't a major determining factor. If a source calls it a single, it's a single, but apparently this is disputed as well (as seen in the discussion above). Hayman30 (talk) 11:41, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

B Record label hasn't released it to radio officially (yet). Cornerstonepicker (talk) 00:17, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Threaded Discussion
After reviewing Single (music) and Promotional single, there seems to be a clear distinction between the two. This isn't something that needs consensus or discussion. If it's available for sale separately from the rest of the album, it's a single. If it's released to radio stations and clubs, it's a promotional single. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:53, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

It is clear by the results of this RFC, that the overwhelming majority (~86%, 6 out of 7) agrees that "Drip" is not a single. How do we go about closing the RFC and removing Drip as a single? ELEMONATED (talk) 19:18, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, and all of them are using radio as an argument, which is not valid. Hayman30 (talk) 10:14, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Get Up 10 /Meek
I can't find a source that says Mill is credited on "Get Up 10", nor that "Dreams and Nightmares" is officially interpolated. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 01:13, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Songwriter / Sample Credit Notes
Seen here at the track listing. There is no reason not too, and there's more reason to include them since they provide information as to why a certain songwriter is credited. Doesn't take up too much space. May help explain to a confused listener as to why Lauryn Hill is credited on a Cardi B song. Nice4What (talk) 18:33, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Year End-List
the year end list needs to be re-evaluated because it's too much going on in that section. I get it Invasion of privacy is one of the most critically acclaimed albums of 2018 but it is pointless to document every year end list that the album is featured on. that list needs to be trimmed to a reasonable sized/ portion. Also only music publication year end list should be used as a reference why is publications such as marie claire, GQ magazine,USA Today, people magazine and other non music publications being featured? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:4F09:AB00:352C:BEF4:63AB:678F (talk) 02:01, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not getting whats your criterion about which lists are suitable for inclusion and which ones are not. Every (?) list removed with this edit was by a publication that has a Wikipedia article and thus doesn't violate the inclusion policy per WP:INDISCRIMINATE.-- N Ø  06:24, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * This topic was revisited (at this discussion) on October 2021. The list should be trimmed to 10 publications/examples. Which will be suitable and which are not, not sure, maybe reduced to the most mainstream music-related ones. Regards, --Apoxyomenus (talk) 21:36, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2019
A suggested change is to add "Michael Ashby" – recording, mixing (Track 4)" in Technical section

Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodak_Yellow as Micheal Ashby is the recording engineer and noted on the article noted in the link. Artistshine4me (talk) 02:02, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I checked the sources provided in both articles and I didn't see "Michael Ashby" credited for Bodak Yellow.    Alucard 16  ❯❯❯ chat?    16:43, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Why is Drip not listed as a single?
For some reason Drip is listed as a promo single despite the fact it was sent to contemporary hit radio in Australia and I have a source that shows proof.

Source: