Talk:Ipso facto

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Ipso facto is defined as a Latin phrase. While it is of Latin origin it is now in English dictionaries, and I suspect in dictionaries of other languages. How can we clearly state this?
 * I think the page makes it clear. &mdash;Casey J. Morris 22:13, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

As a term of art
The page says this in the intro: "It is a term of art used in philosophy, law and science." However, the page currently only discusses (briefly) law. How is it a term of art in Science and Philosophy? That is not yet discussed at all. RedSource (talk) 03:33, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Use in ICJ
Statute of the International Court of Justice, June 26, 1945 "2. The states parties to the present Statute may at any time declare that they recognize as compulsory ipso facto and without special agreement, in relation to any other state accepting the same obligation, the jurisdiction of the Court in all legal disputes concerning: a. the interpretation of a treaty; b. any question of international law; c. the existence of any fact which, if established, would constitute a breach of an international obligation; d. the nature or extent of the reparation to be made for the breach of an international obligation. "

Not sure how to work this in but it is a good exapmle of ipso facto in the context of an international text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarterus (talk • contribs) 18:39, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Italics and Sentence Structure.
When writing in English, the convention is to italicise words that are not English, especially Latin words.

In addition, you don't say "the marriage would be void ipso facto", but "ipso facto, the marriage would be void", or "the marriage would be ipso facto void". Hullaballoo84 16:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

"Ipso facto" versus "ipse facto"
I am currently reading Hegel's text The Philosophy of History -- specifically, the translation by J. Sibree (New York: Dover, 1956). At various places in the text, Hegel uses "ipse facto" rather than "ipso facto" as in: "In agriculture itself is involved, ipse facto, the cessation of a roaming life" (p. 101). What is the difference, if any, between ipso facto and ipse facto? Drval 19:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * My latin is limited (and very rusty) having only done two years at school around a decade ago but I believe ipso is itself while ipse is himself. I'm not quite sure though how that fits with your quote though...Azo bob (talk) 17:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Question...
Perhaps someone could remember if this phrase was used in a movie? tv show? I remember a character saying it, however google has been less than helpful.
 * It was used in Justice League, Animal Crackers, Fierce Creatures, and The Man With Two Brains. That's all I could find on IMDB for quotes. 129.64.141.43 01:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I just heard it on the "There's Something about Paulie" Family Guy episode. That's really wierd. 129.64.141.43 02:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * its also in Camp Lazlo which is why i came here to see if it was real71.131.33.187 18:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Bart Simpson says "Ipso fatso" in Bart the Mother --Closedmouth 14:38, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Jon Stewart uses the phrase often on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart N.f.vd.boogaard 15:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

It is also used in the american sitcom '8 Simple Rules', spoken by the character Bridget Hennesey. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.18.191 (talk) 22:40, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

WTF??? Who cares? Wikipedia is not a collection of uses of words in TV shows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.132.44 (talk) 13:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Then what about all the "in popular culture" sections? Synetech (talk) 12:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Please check this sentence
Last sentence of of Legal Uses section reads, "The act is ipso facto because it is done as a cover for something else..." Should this be, "The act is ipso facto illegal because it is done as a cover for something else..."? If you think the proposed change is correct, please make the change. I don't understand this phrase well enough to judge. ike9898 (talk) 13:44, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Ipso Facto in the context of "Ought"
I would like to see a discussion or have someone expound on this term and its broader uses. For example, you will behave as such for my word is law, ipso facto. Or for a better example: "Moreover, because information is presumed to be a public good, markets are ipso facto supposed to produce and disseminate a suboptimal amount of information." Taken from Robert Higgs' article 'Banning a Risky Product Cannot Improve Any Consumer's Welfare (Properly Understood), with Applications to FDA Testing Requirements'. This is near the beginning of the article. But the term ipso facto used in conjuction with the very word 'supposed' implies a different use of the term. Any thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahall12 (talk • contribs) 12:49, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Examples needed
I believe that this page could become much clearer if other examples of the use of the phrase ipso facto were used. While the example of money laundering is good, I think that a couple of more examples, especially if they were non-legal, would help clarify the meaning and usage of this important phrase. For example: Phil, an alien living in the USA cannot obtain a US Passport. This could also be phrased: Phil, as an alien living in the USA, ipso facto cannot obtain a US Passport. This is not a great example, but I am sure others can do better.

I have no knowledge of Latin, so I do not feel qualified to edit this entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.144.68.130 (talk) 13:54, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

I disagree that the money laundering example is good - it's a phrase where something is *not* ipso facto the case. That's confusing. Better would be a positive phrase. Millberlin (talk) 14:41, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

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Tampering? Nonsense sentence seen in article.
Look at the last sentence in the section noted. What in the world is that nonsense phrase an electrical supervisor of the tunnel supposed to say?

In Catholic canon law Main article: Latae sententiae Ipso facto denotes the automatic character of the loss of membership in a religious body by someone guilty of a specified action. Within the canon law of the Catholic Church, the phrase latte sententiae is more commonly used than ipso facto with regard to ecclesiastical penalties such as excommunication. It indicates that the effect follows even if no verdict (in Latin, sententia) is pronounced by an electrical supervisor of the tunnel[clarification needed]. YodaWhat (talk) 04:13, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Fixed. Vettrock (talk) 03:59, 20 February 2023 (UTC)