Talk:Iran and weapons of mass destruction/Archive 2

Wrong Claims issues
wrong claim such Iran producing nuclear weapon must be deleted as IAEA saidHERE and HERE and p5+1 and IAEA announcement HERE +Iran's nuclear program is no longer a treat as IAEA and p5+1 announced in Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isu.v90 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 5 October 2016 (UTC)


 * It is impossible to respond to such a general complaint. You need to articulate a specific concern. NPguy (talk) 03:56, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

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UN’s IAEA Statement May 1st, 2018
The United Nation watchdog International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) made a recent statement on May 1st, 2018. Which might be of interest with the present events. How about adding this draft for the article introduction/lead? With sources.



Francewhoa (talk) 05:56, 3 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Just call it the IAEA, not the UN nuclear watchdog. It is neither part of the UN not a "watchdog." NPguy (talk) 10:55, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Project Amad is not deeply covered by the sources and there are just some trivial mentions. In other words, there are not sources addressing the topic "directly and in detail", the quality WP:SIGCOV demands. Also, Wikipedia is "not a paper source". The article can easily be explained in the context of 'Iran and weapons of mass destruction' and I'm suggesting to merge the mentioned article here. Regards. -- M h hossein   talk 19:32, 2 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Support as the nominator. -- M h hossein   talk 19:38, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose What about separate chapters "The Launch of the AMAD Plan", "Halt the AMAD Plan", etc. in [Gaietta, 2016] as well as in other sources? --Balabinrm (talk) 19:55, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Coverage goes back a bit (at least to 2015), and we are discussing a major scientific project - 1999-2003 in which billions of dollars and countless man hours were spent. If we can have a Assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists for 5 individuals, surely we can and should have this stand alone. It also seems likely Amad will get quite a bit of coverage in the coming weeks making evaluation here possiblt premature.Icewhiz (talk) 20:15, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * To let you know about our guidelines, there should be "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Although it's a weird comparison, the very tiny details of the assassination of those 5 individuals were covered in depth by numerous sources. What about this article? Can you provide enough reliable sources covering the details of the subject? Do they address the the topic "directly and in detail"? -- M h hossein   talk 04:44, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Coverage is most certainly independent and in detail - beyond the newly revealed documents from the project (2018 - of which there is copious coverage), the project has been covered in depth in the following - The Gulf Military Balance: The Missile and Nuclear Dimensions (2014), Iran’s Nuclear Program: A Study in Proliferation and Rollback (2017), The Trajectory of Iran's Nuclear Program (2016), and Routledge Handbook of Nuclear Proliferation and Policy (2015) - and it took me all of two minutes to find these.Icewhiz (talk) 06:53, 3 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per my original AFD. There is one source the less than neutral Israel, and the article is barely a stub. Merge it, and if it grows to an unreasonable size in that article, then fork it off. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:36, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Please note that LaserLegs was canvassed here by Mhhossein - and no - notifying the nominator of the AfD (and sole delete vote) but not the other AfD participants is not appropriate.Icewhiz (talk) 07:09, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Pinging AfD participants., , , , , , .Icewhiz (talk) 07:11, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * My edit is called 'Appropriate notification'. Don't make such accusations again. -- M h hossein   talk 12:23, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Notifying the one editor who nominated and supported deletion (while not notifying 7 editors who supporting keeping the article) would fail WP:APPNOTE as it is WP:VOTESTACKing. An appropriate notification would've been to notify all participants of the AfD - not just a very small and selected subset.Icewhiz (talk) 13:04, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Not that you'll believe it, but I checked on that ridiculous stub article (Project Amad) after the nom at WP:ITN/C was closed, and saw the merger note. I don't check my "messages" and only saw it there AFTER I'd commented. Whatever though right? --LaserLegs (talk) 13:15, 3 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Both articles are valuable. For now I suggest to keep them independent, but maybe link them. How does this sound?
 * The Project Amad article, in its present form, seems to be mostly based on speculations and allegations, with lack of NPOV.
 * The Iran and weapons of mass destruction article seems to be mostly based on proven facts, with plenty of NPOV.
 * Francewhoa (talk) 06:16, 3 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose Right now there are plenty of WP:GNG for independent article.Also even before Israeli revelation there were plenty of sources for example --Shrike (talk) 06:18, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose - While lack of super in-depth coverage is currently an issue, the current event status of the page, I believe, justifies this. To say that the article isn't notable enough for a full article seems a bit premature. Nanophosis (talk) 15:12, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note that INDEPTH: ''With 3 Rapid Strokes, Netanyahu Advances Israel’s Agenda Against Iran paper edition of today's paper,) Netanyahu’s Intelligence Bombshell Should Spell End of Iran Deal, Netanyahu’s Iran Performance Wasn’t Just for Trump, UN chief urges Donald Trump not to scrap Iran nuclear deal  is just coming in. I have listed a handful, but they are just the tip of today's iceberg of coverage.  WP:RAPID sort of applies.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:33, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * "With three bold strokes" GASP! Israel violated Syrian airspace to attack "suspected" targets? REALLY?? OMG! The thing is, that has nothing at all what so ever to do with the bogus "Project Amad". If you have sources which can actually expand the target article, please do so. A one liner about Netanyahu sharing a top secret power point about Iraq's Iran's supposed nuclear program doesn't cut it. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:58, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support for now, I might change if this story "grows more meat", but presently this is only worthy of a parenthesis in the Iran and weapons of mass destruction article. Huldra (talk) 20:44, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

What is the purpose of this article?
This entry currently consists largely of supposition about a possible Iranian nuclear weapons plan, but has little or no evidence to back that. Its sources are generally anti-Iranian, including US government, while the IAEA has never said that Iran had any nuclear weapons program.

The article is long on inference and short on facts supporting any Iranian development of nuclear weapons. It appears to assume that Iran must be (or have been) intending to develop nuclear weapons because 'we would' - an idiotic argument on its face. The article is longer than a comparative article about a country known to have a huge nuclear, biological and chemical arsenal: (United States and weapons of mass destruction). Even [|Israel's Wikipedia entry on the subject] is shorter.

At the same time, benign agency is assumed on the part of the United States and Israel, while Iran is assumed in the tone of this entry to have malign intent. Citations are very definitely needed, or this page needs some editing to ensure a neutral tone. 124.171.129.20 (talk) 02:24, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Indeed. Majority are out of date POV predictions

A 2007 annual review the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London stated that "If and when Iran does have 3,000 centrifuges operating smoothly, the IISS estimates it would take an additional 9-11 months...

Le us remove it.

Zezen (talk) 15:32, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I disagree. The article was highly contentious years ago and has been largely overlooked since then.  As a result it is out of date and a bit anachronistic (focusing on debates from ten years ago), but largely accurate and balanced as far as it goes.  Iran never had nuclear weapons, but the United States issued an official National Intelligence Estimate that Iran was trying to acquire them (until 2003) and the International Atomic Energy Agency in 2011 described a systematic Iranian program, mostly before 2003, to develop nuclear weapons capabilities.  There is much that could be updated, and some old material that could be pruned, but the gist should be preserved. NPguy (talk) 18:50, 12 January 2020 (UTC)