Talk:Iranian gender restrictions in education

Which fields?
A list of the affected disciplines would be very informative for this article. siafu (talk) 17:50, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I haven't found a source yet that lists all of the restricted subjects. And, besides, a list of 77 things would be quite long. Silver  seren C 22:24, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It would be precisely 77 lines long, which is not so bad, and all the information that is most relevant to the article. siafu (talk) 22:53, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's also not hard to make a collapsible table or list. siafu (talk) 22:54, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I doubt any media outlet will report 77 fields. -- Activism  1234  22:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Certainly the press release from the Iranian government will? If this wasn't a matter of needing someone who can read Farsi, I wouldn't have needed to ask on the talk page. siafu (talk) 18:38, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If you can find a reliable source, like a news article or that press release would work, that lists the fields, then please post it here. Silver  seren C 22:59, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Notability cont.
There are two main issues for which I continue to question the notability of this article.

My biggest problem is that every single source is from a news agency. No books, no films, no research papers, nothing but news. That's why I immediately jumped to WP:NOT. I understand that this just happened, and there hasn't been time for books to be written about it; but that's why the usual practice is to include mention in a related article when an item appears in the news, and then create a separate article if and only if it begins to appear in books, documentaries, etc.

Secondly, I'm having a hard time grasping how the event is notable in and of itself. Yes, it's a blatant violation of women's' rights, and the world needs to be informed about such oppression, but it seems like this is either: business-as-usual in Iran, in which case it will be a minor note in the larger chapter of women's rights in the history of Iran, or it's such an unusual move that it deserves mention in several articles, but not it's own article, unless larger developments (protests, civil war, etc) develop from it. I see it has been mentioned by a large number of news outlets, but I'm unconvinced that's not at least partly sensationalism (and comments like: "The sooner it's written about, the better. Maybe send it to ITN as well." don't help that). But, I'm probably missing something. Mysterious Whisper (SHOUT)  01:29, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

It's the same damn thing ...
Shuffling this topic off to reside in obscurity under 'Education in Iran' would be a decision worthy of the same silly, challenged, old-school mindset that serves to create the very existence of this issue, in the first place. 68.146.15.112 (talk) 01:43, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting. A misinterpretation of your (somewhat uncivil) comment has led me to the idea that while "the 20 August 2012 announcement that 36 universities in Iran would be cutting 77 fields of study from the female curriculum" does not necessarily deserve a stand-alone article, the generalized topic of "Iranian restrictions on female university students" almost certainly does. Which is to say, if this article could be expanded to include other instances of 'Iranian restrictions on female university students', I could easily support dedicated article. Thoughts? Mysterious Whisper (SHOUT)  02:41, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I replied on a different thread about other instances. -- Activism  1234  05:24, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Tags
It seems like this article might be giving undue weight to the most recent events. This may be in conflict with WP:NPOV:

"An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject." "This is a concern especially in relation to recent events that may be in the news. Note that undue weight can be given in several ways, including, but not limited to, depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, and juxtaposition of statements." (also WP:RECENTISM, but that's just an essay...)

Given how extremely important people seemed to think this [topic] is, I can't believe there isn't more that can be said about events preceding and leading up to the "20 August 2012 course ban" (note: "20 August 2012 course ban" currently makes up 3/4 of the page). Mysterious Whisper (SHOUT)  13:19, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Also, I think this page could be better with a more general title, maybe something like: "Iranian restrictions on women's education". Thoughts? Mysterious Whisper (SHOUT)  13:19, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with that title. It makes a lot more sense. Silver  seren C 03:38, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Good. I don't think this will be particularly controversial, so I'll skip the template, although I will leave this open for comment for a few days before actually applying the move. Mysterious Whisper (SHOUT)  04:30, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Why bother? You have the support of all the active editors on this article for that title change! (Yes, that includes me...) -- Activism  1234  04:44, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Very well. Mysterious Whisper (SHOUT)  05:00, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * And... done. Mysterious Whisper (SHOUT)  05:08, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Pamphlet
This isn't encyclopedic article but pure anti-Iranian propagandistic pamphlet. More then 90% of content is simply not true: Considering August 2012 "ban", there are numerous sources which refute sensationalistic media claims. --HistorNE (talk) 06:01, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Was alleged "2010 course restriction" implemented? NO.
 * Was segregation at Allameh Tabatabai University implemented? NO.

Possible Additions/Changes to the Page
I am a student taking a feminist economics course at the University of Chicago Law School and I am interested in adding to and updating the article.

Specifically, I would like to:
 * Add historical context for education in Iran for women prior to 2010
 * Add more details about any restrictions or changes that were implemented officially or unofficially in Iran on women in 2010 and 2012, or more broadly, in contemporary history
 * Add more context if restrictions did exist as to what they entailed and how they affected female participation in the education and labor forces
 * Include references to any movements or groups who are involved in the topic of female education in Iran
 * Add a section on the current state of educational opportunities for women in Iran

I believe the article could be improved with a balanced approach in adding new material that gives context to what is now more a presentation of isolated events. I also think the inclusion of scholarly articles could strengthen the reliability of the information.

Interested for any feedback on these proposed changes and any suggestions for scholarly sources or needed changes and additions.

Cmhofley (talk) 02:30, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal
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