Talk:Iraqi cuisine/Archive 1

Legal status of alcohol?
I tried googling but to no avail. Anyone who's familiar with the subject should add some information to the article (Stephen Colbert implied that it's illegal, which surprised me given that it's a secular state with a decent-sized non-Muslim minority). Wormwoodpoppies (talk) 00:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's legal. Not sure how you're planning to work that into the article though. More likely you should take it up with Herr Colbert, but I'm sure someone already has. Regardless he is clearly an اهل البيت دشمن, so I am hardly surprised he is spreading lies and slander about our brothers and sisters in Iraq. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.108.51.51 (talk) 20:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Iraq in the Levant? Huh?
I've been reading about the Ancient, Medieval, and Modern Near and Middle East for a long time. I do not recall seeing Iraq - formerly called Mesopotamia - as part of the Levant. The Levant is - more or less - modern Syrian, Lebanon, Israel-Palestine, and parts of Jordan. But Iraq/Mesopotamia is a culturally separate region, separated from the Levant by some mountain ranges.

I've got no dog in this fight - if it has been argued about previously - i'm no advocate for any particular culture in Southwest Asia. I am only interested in clarity. Ellenois (talk) 19:53, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Mesopotamia refers to the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, Levant refers to the eastern seaboard of the Mediterranean.


 * However, Mesopotamia and the Levant merge along the northern Euphrates - forming a single unit called the Fertile Crescent. Mesopotamia forms the eastern wing - the Levant forms the western wing. Thus, Northern Syria is both geographically and culturally, Mesopotamian and Levantine, while Northern Iraq is geographically Mesopotamian, and culturally Levantine and Mesopotamian.


 * The region doesn't consist of two cultural blocks - but rather three -
 * Levant proper (Southern Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan).
 * Mesopotamia proper (Central and Southern Iraq).
 * Upper Levant/Mesopotamia (Northern Syria and Northern Iraq).


 * In the "Levant proper", they speak the Levantine dialect of Arabic.
 * In "Mesopotamia proper", they speak the Mesopotamian dialect of Arabic.
 * In "Upper Levant/Mesopotamia", they speak the North Mesopotamian dialect of Arabic - a hybrid of Mesopotamian and Levantine.


 * The reason for this is all down to geography, because in between "Mesopotamia proper" and the "Levant proper" - is the Syrian desert, which doesn't support settlement, and no, there are no mountains between Mesopotamia and the Levant.


 * Having explained all that, I should also stress that there is not a great cultural chasm between "Mesopotamia proper" and the "Levant proper". The cultural dynamics of the whole Fertile Crescent are very close. It is a natural nation. Izzedine (talk) 11:18, 30 September 2009 (UTC)



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