Talk:Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest

Ireland's Voting 2010
In 2010 Ireland was the second country to give points to Germany rather than the first.

As you can see in the vedio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_HtspJeTWQ. Romania awards 3 points to Germany. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tynan11 (talk • contribs) 19:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Article Renaming
Could the name of this article be renamed to 'Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest' as the current title of 'Republic of Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest' is inaccurate because not only is the country's name Ireland, but it also implies the Irish entry represents only the 26 counties, when this is not the case, and the Irish entry has been an all-Ireland entry for decades now. --Éire32 13:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of any claims of how much of the island is represented, the name of the country is Ireland and this should be reflected in the title.

"A popular urban myth arising from this is that the national broadcaster RTÉ was in huge financial difficulty as a result of having to host the contest four times in the space of five years (as Ireland also won in 1996 and thus had to host the contest in 1997). This myth is however unconfirmed by anyone including RTE - although now the financial burden to host the Contest is much lower, since the late 1990s, when a decision was taken to secure a very large proportion of the budget directly from EBU revenues (including televoting) and the Big 4. The myth also suggested that Ireland intentionally threw the 1995 entry."

Is it the function of Wikipedia to quote unconfirmed myths? (If so, is there any evidence that such a myth was indeed popular or that it even existed?)


 * No, all quotes must be cited. For unsourced quotes, add the following tag : Think outside the box 11:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Winners
"Dana started the ball rolling for Ireland when she won the contest in 1970. Just 18 years-old and still at school she beat her more experienced rivals with a song that was soon to become a million-seller."

Can we leave out the cliches and just state facts? How about deleting the reference to a rolling ball? What does "just 18 years-old" mean (and why the hyphen?) ? Was it her birthday the day/week before the contest? If so, is this relevant? If not, why use "just"? As for her "more experience rivals" - what experience did they have? Was the girl who sang for Yugoslavia or Monaco, for example, really more experienced? How is this defined, measured? How is it relevant? She sang the winning song, she was 18, the record sold over a million copies. The facts speak for themselves - no need to hype it up. "Then came Johnny Logan."

"Then"meaning 10 years later? Why not say "10 years later" or "in 1980"?

"This man was involved THREE times with a winning entry: once as a singer in 1980, then as a singer-songwriter in 1987, and then if that wasn't enough, he wrote the winning song for Linda Martin in 1992." Why sensationalise? This isn't a tabloid newspaper - it's an encyclopedia. Can we lose the unnecessary capital letters "THREE"? Can we lose the unnecessary hype? ("and then as if that wasn't enough")

"No other artist has done the same thing" Of course not - it would be noteworthy if another artist had "done the same thing"

Thanks Galin - I did over do it a bit - cheers for putting it right.

Moving article
I'm moving this article to Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest. The Republic of Ireland is the official description of the state according to Article 2 of the Republic of Ireland Act, 1949. Ireland (or Éire, but that would be even less appropriate here) is the of the official name of the state. It is also the name used by the EBU for the country, and therefore the name used for the country for Eurovision. After all, it would be illogical to call an article United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest, wouldn't it? Chwech // gurgle 16:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

National selection event(s)
What is the policy on this? Should all selection events be listed in the box, such as You're A Star and Eurosong, or is it just current event(s)? Iain 23:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * To be honest, the whole box doesn't make much sense (despite the edits I made to it last night) — the Sanremo Festival was rarely used to select the Italian entry, many of the national finals that were listed such as You're A Star and Operación Triunfo are no longer being used, and the future of some (such as Misión Eurovisión and the Nationaal Song Festival) are in doubt. The many redlinks are a worry as well. Clarification is badly needed. Chwech // gurgle 13:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Missing section?
Did there use to be a section that mentioned Ireland's success at predicting a winner? Where did it go? Maybe it wasn't actually that accurate. Iain 02:50, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Is it:

"Statistically, Ireland is the sixth-best country at predicting a winner (behind Bulgaria, Serbia-Montenegro, Netherlands, Switzerland and Russia in that order), giving an average of 8.7 points to the winning country every year over its 23 appearances since the current voting methods were implemented."

An anonymous user removed it a few days ago. I'm adding it back. Chwech | hum-dee-hum-hum 11:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Best and Worst Entries
Is there a rule or standard regarding which exactly is a country's worst entry? In my opinion, Ireland's last place in 2007 should be considered its worst entry, rather than the fail to qualify in the 2005 semi. Here's an example: Romania finished first in the 2005 semi-final, but third in the final. I doubt anyone would consider Romania's best result in the contest to be first. Even if we included Ireland's 2005 result as a valid result like its 40 other appearances, it would still not be the worst, since it ranked 14th out of 25 with 53 points. I'd consider that a respectable result; perhaps not what the Irish are used to in the Eurovision, but they could do worse, like in 2007.

I guess I just consider the semi-final (soon to be semi-finals) to be another way the EBU limits contestants into the grand final. If we included various qualification schemes into the best/worst scenario, then wouldn't Ireland's true worst result be its relegation in 2002? Thewriter2120 (talk) 06:58, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Article name
This article was moved to Republic of Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest, I have moved it back to Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest. The official name of the state in question is Ireland; Republic of Ireland is a description. for more detail, see Names of the Irish state.

Furthermore, in the contest itself, the name of the country is always given as Ireland. When I was watching the semi-final this week, the name of this state was displayed on screen as Ireland; the words Republic of did not appear anywhere, unlike Macedonia which was titled FYR Macedonia. Finally, the Republic of Ireland is only used internationally in certain sporting competitions like Soccer where there is a Northern Ireland team. In Eurovision, there is no such confusion. And if you are still not convinced what the name of this country is, have a look at the cover of the Irish passport on the Names of the Irish state article, you won't see the word Republic there either nor anywhere in an Irish passport! Snappy56 (talk) 11:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. I think the best comparison would be Ireland at the Olympics, which uses the tricolour but yet still refers to the state as "Ireland", because that's the way it is done officially at that event, and it's highly unlikely that people will mistake it for Northern Ireland. Same applies here.  Chwe ch  13:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's fair enough, but how do we explain in the lede that it is the Republic, and not all of Ireland, that is represented? Mooretwin (talk) 16:09, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Take a look at this
An article concerning Eurovision 1999 participants The Mullans is up for AfD. Users with Eurovision knowledge is needed.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:42, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Ambiguous table headings + unverifiable tables
In our tables of votes given/received "Most points given" could mean "given TO Ireland", or "given BY Ireland", while "Most points received" could mean "received FROM Ireland", or  "received BY Ireland", so it's unclear what each table means. And there is seemingly no source provided for readers to check which is which, unless the reader knows to go looking at 'external links', in which case the reader will find a table that uses different dates (1975 to 2015) and thus different figures from what we give, so our tables are currently not verifiable. Much the same presumably also applies to many similar tables in the articles for other countries.Tlhslobus (talk) 00:53, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Ireland Eurovision Song Contest entries discography into Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest
The only added information here is the chart ranking. The information can be moved to the main page. Broc (talk) 14:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I would oppose a merge, as the discography and chart history of Irish Eurovision entries has zero relevance to Ireland's participation in Eurovision. Beyond the songs being Irish Eurovision entries, how they charted in Ireland or elsewhere does not have an impact on Ireland's participation history at the contest and is only a barely tangential sub-topic. I would agree that notability is most likely not fulfilled by the existence of the article, so I would personally suggest WP:AFD might be a better option to determine its fate. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 15:49, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It originally was on that page, but someone removed it at some point in the past year. I made a page for Ireland's entries discography as there is also a page for UK Eurovision Song Contest entries discography, so just removing it felt like a rash decision. I think both pages are relevant on their own, as it stops the main page getting cluttered, while also showcasing how successful each song was in their home charts. SnookerLoopyOneFourSeven (talk) 13:00, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I would instead suggest WP:PROD or WP:AfD for the discography page. First, it's not a discography, second, the chart placing of individual entries does not seem like something that can or should be organized in such a way. Grk1011 (talk) 15:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC)