Talk:Iris oratoria

Do you mean S. carolina or S. limbata?
In the Iris oratoria page in Reproduction it says ", and its success in areas formerly occupied by other mantids such as Stagmomantis carolina." The reference for that is "Range Expansion of an Introduced Mantid Iris oratoria and Niche Overlap with a Native Mantid Stagmomantis limbata (Mantodea: Mantidae)" by Michael R. Maxwell and Ofer Eitan, Annals of the Entomological Society of America, Volume 91, Number 4, July 1998.

It talks about Stagmomantis limbata not Stagmomantis carolina in an abstract. Does it mention S. carolina in that Research Article?

I found the abstract from here: http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/esa/aesa/1998/00000091/00000004/art00009 '"Iris oratoria L. invaded southern California in the 1930s. We describe its subsequent northward and eastward expansion in the southwestern United States. The rate of expansion into Arizona suggests that human activities have played a part in its spread. This mantid has come into contact with a native species Stagmomantis limbata Hahn. We present 3 yr of field data on 2 components of niche overlap between these 2 species: overlap in habitat use over time and in diet. At a field site in Davis, CA, S. limbata hatched earlier in the season than did L. oratoria, and I. oratoria tended to persist longer into the year than did S. limbata. The diets of the species overlapped to a moderate extent, yet they differed with respect to prey type and length. S. limbata ate a greater proportion of orthopterans and mantids than did I. oratoria, and S. limbata ate longer prey than did I. oratoria. Additionally, S. limbata adults had longer pronota and forelegs than I. oratoria adults. This difference in body size might be an important cause of the dietary differences between the species. Furthermore, the earlier hatch date for S. limbata also might result in a reduction of size overlap and, consequently, diet overlap among nymphs of the 2 species. Thus, the differences in body size and phenology may be mechanisms that allow these species to coexist."'

Is it a typo and supposed to be "formerly occupied by other mantids such as Stagmomantis limbata"? And the formerly word is a bit confusing. It sounds like the S. carolina or S. limbata or the other mantids that occupied that area are not there any more. But maybe that is just me. Should we take out the formerly and make it ", and its success in areas occupied by other mantids such as Stagmomantis carolina."?Happy1892 (talk) 20:29, 29 June 2014 (UTC)Happy1892Happy1892 (talk) 20:29, 29 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Mm, from the context, 'formerly' is important, you can't take it out: it definitely means that S. limbata is now gone from there, replaced in some way by I. oratoria. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:38, 29 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Interesting since the Stagmomantis limbata hatch out earlier and the adult females get larger than the Iris oratoria I believe, and so would eat the competing Iris oratoria. Happy1892 (talk) 04:49, 12 January 2016 (UTC)Happy1892Happy1892 (talk) 04:49, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Though it is possible the Iris oratoria females and adult males (Iris oratoria seems to have aggressive adult males from what I read!) eat the adult males of S. limbata. Happy1892 (talk) 04:51, 12 January 2016 (UTC)Happy1892Happy1892 (talk) 04:51, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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