Talk:Irish Defence Forces cap badge

Origin and early usage
The article says "The badge was designed in 1913 by Eoin MacNeill, a founding member and chairman of the Irish Volunteers. Variations existed for territorial commands, but the majority of volunteers wore the Óglaigh na hÉireann badge. It was worn by republicans in the 1916 Easter Rising. It was rarely worn by the Irish Republican Army in the War of Independence as doing so could lead to a prison term. Eventually the Free State Army adopted the badge for their new uniforms before the Irish Civil War."

I think this should be revised for a number of reasons.

1) 'The majority of th volunteers wore the Óglaigh na hÉireann badge'. I doubt that this is true as the majority of the volunteers didn't have proper uniforms. The Volunteers did have a uniform but to many of the members the cost was just too expensive. However, those who did have the money to buy uniforms would have used this badge.

2) "It was worn by republicans in the 1916 Easter Rising". It was only worn by those republicans who were Volunteers. Members of the Citizens Army didn't wear, nor did Cumann na mBan, nor Fianna Éireann or the Hibernian Rifles. The statement was 'Worn by Republicans' is too broad.

3) "It was rarely worn by the Irish Republican Army in the War of Independence as doing so could lead to a prison term." - It was actually regularly worn by the members of the Irish Republican Army during the war of independence, there are plenty of photographs showing members in uniform wearing the badge (where they had a uniform to wear). I doubt the threat of a prison sentence is what stopped them wearing it as they faced a lot worse fate than prison for wearing it, if they were wearing it they were likely to be on active service and engaged directly with the enemy, which means that they would be shot - as would any one on active service in uniform or not.

4) "Eventually the Free State Army adopted the badge for their new uniforms before the Irish Civil War." The 'Free State Army' thought of itself as a continuation of the Irish Volunteers and it wouldn't have occured to them to adopt any other badge other than that which they had been wearing since 1914 when the volunteers were founded. To those in the Army high command they were the same army that had fought in 1916 and in the war of independence.

5) I think mention should be made that the IRA (or various versions thereof) also use(d) this badge as they too had/have a claim to represent a continuation of the 1914 Irish Volunteers. EoinBach (talk) 18:29, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

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