Talk:Irish experiment (Australian rules football)

Scope of the article
I noted that User:Tameamseo deleted quite a few recent recruits off the list stating that they hadn't actually been "recruited". Exactly what constitutes being recruited needs to be fleshed out a bit. I would define that any player who trains with an AFL club, moves to Australia or is offered an AFL contract by a club should be listed here. That is the nature of an "experiment" - it doesn't always work out.

Players like Sean Cavanagh never pulled on a jumper, however the attempt to secure him by Brisbane created significant controversy.

Personally I think the list should be comprehensive including players who were brought to Australia to train with clubs or play in practice matches. This is to show the extent of recruitment drives by various clubs and the balance between the players that actually end up playing AFL matches and the number who instead went on to play other sports. --Rulesfan (talk) 00:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * This is about the scope of the list, not of the overall article. I deleted the players from the list because obviously enough they did not meet the criteria for a "List of Irish players recruited by AFL clubs" if they were not actually recruited by AFL clubs.  Being offered a contract or spedning a period training with a club surely is not enough to be described as having been "recruited" to play in the AFL.  If it's agreed to change the title of the list and to use new criteria such as those User:Rulesfan has already inserted then I of course have no objection to including those players if they verifiably meet the new criteria.  I would agree that a case like the attempt to secure Seán Cavanagh is worthy of inclusion somewhere in the article even if he turned down the offer and never kicked an Australian rules football.  However he was clearly not actually "recruited" so he shouldn't be on a list of "recruited" sportsmen.  I've further altered the list title and Rulesfan's criteria.  Tameamseo (talk) 15:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Excellent work Tameaseo, I think this works really well with the article. Would it be ok to add those players back in ?  Cheers.  --Rulesfan (talk) 02:05, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and good work on your part also. No problem with adding the players back, but I'd like references for them meeting the new criteria so I've temporarily removed the uncited ones  - Dias, Tuohy and Sheehan - until we have sources.  Tameamseo (talk) 22:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Move the list to separate article?
Hi all,

The the list, to my mind, dominates the article, at the expense of article quality: Should we perhaps move it to List of Irish Sportsmen Linked with the VFL/AFL and retain a Irish_experiment section for the most notable Irish Experiment players? --Shirt58 (talk) 12:21, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It takes up most of the space;
 * The "notes" column in the table rightly contains refs and comments, but I would argue these enlarge the table at the expense of readability;
 * While the article itself is non-contentious, the list entries are controvertible.

Hi all, The 'Other' list of players was deleted recently which I felt lost a lot of valuable information on the Irish Experiment. I undid this change. I think the list should have another home or remain on this page rather than being deleted. Wikiwik-football (talk) 12:39, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

A further colour highlight in "the list" for Irish sportsmen who have played at least one senior VFL/AFL game?
Hi all,

I suggest something like this:

... and so on. Looking for your opinions about this proposal.--Shirt58 (talk) 11:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Colleagues, I'm being bold. Hope this will be OK with you.--Shirt58 (talk) 10:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

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