Talk:Irish rebel song

Best bands
If you are not familiar with Irish Rebel music the best bands to check out are The Wolfe Tones, Eire Og, Charlie & The Bhoys, Christy Moore and Derek Warfield. Cheers Dec x —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.170.192.250 (talk • contribs) 02:24, 2 April 2006


 * I agree "Best" should be prioritised over alphabetical as the current first song is both the least notable and most offensive. According to the BBC the Wolf Tones are objectively the Best. Bosley John Bosley (talk) 18:14, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

References needed
This sentence needs a reference or at least a date: "The Wolfe Tones' version of A Nation Once Again was voted the Number One song in the world by BBC listeners a few years back." - Hu Gadarn 16:00, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Links
A huge number of the links send you to something that is not the song, but only (vaguely) related to the song. The perfect solution would be to have pages for every song. In the mean time, would it be worth having some warning to the fact that many of the pages don't link exactly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.251.95.1 (talk • contribs) 04:01, 18 November 2006


 * Well, the pages such as Barleycorn can be re-pointed to an unexistant page like Barleycorn (band) in the hope they'll be written. I'll have a go through these links now, and check which ones work and which don't. -- Pauric ( talk-contributions ) 13:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I will fix the links as best I can. LiamTheIberianCelt (talk) 01:20, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Whiskey in the jar
On what grounds is Whiskey in the jar considered a rebel song - I was under the impression that it was about a rakish highwayman, not an Irish Republican or Nationalist - or is it classed by association? Autarch (talk) 17:06, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * And on what grounds are the Dubliners considered a rebel band...?83.109.72.15 (talk) 14:38, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Rebel music does not have to fit into a specific political category. It is a genre of music, it does not have to be Nationalist or Republican in nature, though it is in 99% of cases.SCVirus (talk) 03:24, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ehm, the article itself states that Irish rebel music is a category with lyrics "predominantly concerned with Irish nationalism", and especially independence from British rule. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.108.94.154 (talk) 16:42, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * This article wasobviously not written by a listener, well a dedicated one, anyway.

as along of the songs and artists listed, are more folk and celtic, than rebel. im guessing it was written by a brit, altho even an irishman writing it, can make it biased. as germany being the 3rd country in the world that irish folk is popular in, after ireland and america - chronilogically; therefore, i think that we need a german to write it. --Johnny45irish (talk) 12:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

bands and songs.
i have been going throught this article, and i can see that alot of the entries are wrong or need to be external citated. The Dubliners and Black 47 are no way at all rebel bands. the Dubliners's songs are about irisih nationalism, that being pround to be irish. they have only one song tht is classed as slightly rebel, and thats the Foggy dew which is about the Easter Rising. Black 47, they are a celtic punk band, the same as Dropkick Murphy's and Flogging Molly. they may have done representations of irish nationalist songs, but so has DM and FM, and why arent they on the list.

the song, Oró Sé do Bheatha Abhaile, is definatly not rebel song. i have proof. my mother and father both learnt it in england and in irish at school, and i have seen the real translation, which also proves that its about rebels returning hoome from the spanish civil war.

having, Streets of New York, in this article is an insult, as there is nothing whatsoever in this song that catagorises it as such. its about someone moving from ireland to america for a better life and how they get there, and that their uncle whos a police officer dies, and about his parents and that. its a ballad about immigration, and desribes all the irish people who have immigrated for a better life. not to escape from mprosecution, but for work and money.

Whiskey in the Jar, as i see, is also on the list. the song is neither rebel or even politcal for that fact.

could a more experienced wikiuser please ammend this article, thabk you. Johnny45irish (talk) 11:06, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

The age of Irish rebel songs
"The tradition of rebel music in Ireland dates back many centuries..." Really? I suspect that, like Scottish folk music with which I'm more familiar, most 'rebel' songs probably date from the 19th century, though their subject matter often lies further back in time. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Kim Traynor (talk) 17:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I suppose what would now be termed a rebel song (or poem, as the case may be) started with the Irish-language poets of the 17th century, especially after the Irish Confederacy rebellion of 1641. Pádraigín Haicéad wrote, among others, Éirigh mo Dhúiche le Dia ("Arise my Country with God") in support of the rebellion. Other poets who were inspired by the political struggles of the time included Dáibhí Ó Bruadair, (1625?–1698), Piaras Feiritéar (1600?–1653) and Aogán Ó Rathaille (1675–1729). There were also some songs of unknown authorship, like Seán Ó Duibhir a'Ghleanna, written after the Williamite wars and the introduction of the Penal Laws.  Hohenloh + 16:26, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

external links in the section List of notable artists
Many of the entries in the section List of notable artists are external rather than internal links. Should entries that don't have articles, even if they have external links, be removed? RJFJR (talk) 16:22, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Merging Ballads and all songs
If no one has any objections I am going to merge ballads and songs together, in order to make the page easier to navigate and to make it easier to list songs.LiamTheIberianCelt (talk) 20:04, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

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song vs music
The story so far:
 * I moved the page from Irish rebel music to Irish rebel song in 2016 with edit summary " WP:COMMONNAME and more accurate: how many Irish rebel instrumentals are there?"
 * moved the page from Irish rebel song to Irish rebel music in 2018 with edit summary "This describes a collective of music, not just a song. There are artists who play this style in multiple songs".
 * I moved the page from Irish rebel music to Irish rebel song in 2019 with edit summary "Undo move, see Talk"

So this is the talk. I don't know what "a collective of music" is supposed to mean, but there are articles with the word "song" in their name which are about types of song and not about "just a song". Some are shown in the following Singing template below. jnestorius(talk) 01:28, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Rebel songs list
Many of the supposedly rebel songs listed are nothing of the sort, particularly in the Troubles subsection. For example, Alternative Ulster is a song about being a bored teenager in a miserable 70s Belfast and has nothing to do with Irish republicanism. You might as well claim that Anarchy in the U.K. is a rebel song. Ef80 (talk) 14:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Interesting claim, but what songs are you referring to and what is your evidence?  The Banner  talk 15:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I suppose it depends on how you define a rebel song, but many of the examples are clearly borderline at best. The Fields of Athenry is a transportation song about a starving man who steals food and is punished during the Great Famine, while Come Out Ye Black and Tans is about a republican Dubliner who wants to fight his (Irish) Unionist neighbours. --Ef80 (talk) 15:42, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please try to convince the community but I fear that not many people will share your view. The Banner  talk 23:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No problem if that's the consensus. --Ef80 (talk) 12:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)