Talk:Irom Chanu Sharmila/Archive 1

Irom Chanu Sharmila
The English language has an excellent piece of advice: One should not blow one's own horn!

Irom Chanu is a Meitei woman, a citizen of Manipur. Whether Manipuris are or are not Indian subjects is not something that belongs here. The Indian State is not God; states come and go, nations - or ethnic groups - outlive states. The ethnic groups of Manipur have been around for considerably longer than the Indian State, and for hundreds of years, the ancestors of today's Manipuris were blissfully ignorant of so momentous a "truth" that they were "Indians"!

It is beyond controversy that the Indian State used brute force to terrorize various peoples and states to merge themselves into the Indian Union. That was the work of Sardar Patel and Jawaharlal Nehru, both of them criminals of the first order.

It is beyond controversy that Manipur is not a historical part of the South Asian ethno-cultural continuum.

It is beyond controversy that the King of Manipur was forced to "merge" his Kingdom into India at gunpoint, an act that, due to duress, is illegal, null and void of its own nature.

There is nothing "POV" about calling a spade a spade, or calling a draconian "law" a draconian "law".

But what urges our vandal to whitewash or rather suppress such vital - and embarassing - information that the AFSPA "empowers" Indian military personnel to "to arrest citizens; search or destroy property without warrant; to shoot – and even to kill – on suspicion alone, and moreover gives the armed forces near-total immunity against any judicial action"? Is it moral cowardice?

AFSPA is a "legal charter" for State Terrorism.

The Indian State does not care a damn whether Irom Chanu dies or not; it objects to what it considers "blackmail" against its acts of terrorism and as attempts to curtail its "rights" to perpetrate State Terrorism, and so it indulges in brute force against one unarmed girl under the pretence of "preventing suicide"! This is moral hypocrisy of the highest order, besides being gross misuse of powers, exposing the Indian State for exactly what it is - totally bereft of any concept of morality or acquaintance with any such notion as "conscience".

My Wikidness 17:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I am afraid that all of the things you say, while possibly true, are not agreed with by many people; I urge you to consider the fact that someone will come along soon and, if they see your words on the article, change it to a version completely opposed to yours. Please consider instead accepting an version of the article that will not annoy either of you enough to click the edit button. Hornplease 15:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

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I can accept a truly "neutral" version of the entry. Points which need to be stressed:


 * 1) While Manipur is de facto governed by India, there remains legitimate reasons to doubt that this is legal and morally so. The people who are fighting for Manipur's independence have as much a right to the respect of their fellow-men as do the Indians, and, very probably, a greater right indeed, given that India's occupation is very questionable.  I cannot accept that India's monopoly on viewpoint is either moral or "NPOV"!


 * 1) There are no reasons to whitewash or suppress vital information concerning the nature of the AFSPA and which make it so objectionable to the peoples of Manipur, even those who are, like Irom Chanu herself, very probably favorable towards India.

Etc.

Kind regards,

My Wikidness 15:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your prompt response. I agree that alternative POvs belong on WP. Howeverr, the kind of detailed discussion of Manipur's independence movements and the nature of the Act that you wish to include should belong on the Manipur and Armed Forces Act page, which are linked from this one; the interested reader will follow the links. Please do consider editing there. Thanks, and happy editing! Hornplease 16:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Anonymous 1:13, 11 December(IST)
 * A detailed discussion on AFSPA in this article is to answer why Sharmila is fasting. That is not a day's fast for some religious act but a 9 year and ongoing for a cause that pervades terror to more than 2300000 people everyday. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.46.55.31 (talk) 19:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreeing with the above opinions, AFSPA has its own detailed page, and internal linking to relevant parts is a better option. I have removed the lengthy discussion from this page and added a See Also to the end of the article. If you have material (not discussions) on AFSPA, please add to the relevant page. If you have material that directly involves IS, please add to this page. If there's any confusion, please solicit advice here, on the talk page. Nshuks7 (talk) 11:00, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

(older thread)
There are some huge POV lines with citations needed tags. It's been 4 months. Though the pollicy is for immediate removal of such content, especially from bio pages, I am leaving it there for now since user My Wikidness seems to be impassioned about IS. Please use credible sources to obviate further edits. Thanks Nshuks7 (talk) 11:11, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I've attempted to remove all unsourced material and source everything that's left, but I'll be glad to have my work checked, redone, etc. if I've removed anything in error. -- Khazar (talk) 00:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

WP:BLP VIOLATION REMOVED. I am moving the list of european supporters to here otherwise her biography page gets clogged up with names of supporters. The only support which matters is next year at election 2012. The experts say that Manipuris are backward and need to be educated about democracy. The arab spring has taught the experts that it is the people who need to educate their political masters on what kind of democracy they want. I hope Manipuris at last take the opportunity to free Sharmila and rid Manipur of the black law next year.

On 28 November 2010, UK Green Party leader and European Parliament member Keith Taylor wrote to the Indian government seeking the release of Sharmila and the repeal of the AFSPA. Her main supporter in the European Union is Sir Graham Watson KB MEP chair of the India/EU delegation of MEPs. He has consistently made interventions on her behalf most recently to Dr J Bhagwati Indian Ambassador to the EU who responded on 1 July 2011 to his request to respond to the death threats made against Irom Sharmila. Indian Ambassadors reference BRU/AMB/48/2011 Embassy of India, 1050 Brussels. He responds only that he understands that Irom Sharmila is a hunger striker and that the modification of AF(SP)A is under consideration. Previously in April 2011 Sri Graham Watson and the EU delegation had tried to visit Manipur but were not allowed to do so by the Indian Authorities. They visit each year this year they were allowed to visit, Delhi, Patna and Mumbai. Although Keith Taylor did write three letters on one occasion he has never responded to further input. Sri Graham Watson and other members of the EU delegation do always respond to further requests for help. For example a Dutch member of the India EU delegation Peter Van Dalen whose special interest group is Dalit and subaltern groups released this press statement for publication at the gathering at her tenth anniversary of fasting in November 2010 Smt Sharon Bowles MEP sent Sharmila a personal letter of support which is now with Sharmila. She had added her personal regret that Sharmila was not nominated for the Sakharov last year due to insufficient support from other MEPs a nomination requires at least 40 MEP signatories. This year's nominations close on 13 September 2010. Another MEP member of the EU/India Delegation has stated that he does not believe Sharmila will be nominated this year either as very few MEPs know of her or Manipur.

The European MEPs were initially brought in by one of her Western campaigners Nicholas Crawford a philosophy student at Gonville & Caius College, Cambridge. He also chairs a small student think tank. The Wilberforce Society. At the annual garden party Mr Crawford gave a speech about Irom Sharmila and the AFSPA in attendance was their patron Lord Wilson, a former head of the civil service, and Sir Christopher Hum, former UK ambassador to China. Before Xmas they hope to have a seminar on India and Human Rights. And plan to visit Manipur and Sharmila next summer. WP:BLP VIOLATION REMOVED. But she has always cared more about genuine letters seeking to make connections.

Beyond that I have no axe to grind. Sometimes I get blocked sometimes what I say is printed. I have pretty much posted what I feel should be said on various blogs and pages. I am not that certain what difference it makes. It should be easy enough to verify. Wiki always had good basic information on Sharmila but it never seemed to get updated. As you are volunteers and probably have no deep concern with Sharmila all well and good and there does not appear to be any obvious misinformation here though obviously you can't sum up a life in a few pages. I am Yoko Ono. Nobody just listened to Yoko if they wanted to know about the Beatles. If the truth matters sure check out stuff and keep updating. So yeah if you keep the stuff all well and good and if not. Depends what wiki is about. If people want to find out stuff they just have to look more carefully. If you want me to dig around for references and if you can support pdf files I have letters from various officials I could download to you, if you think it matters. (Desi) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondCoutinho (talk • contribs) 04:26, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Well looks like that Khazar chappie is no longer posting. That's the way with doing work where everyone blames you for everything and no one gives you any credit. If they pay you it's not very much either. From what I could tell you did a good job editing. I put down what I have to say but I am not that convinced by the power of words any more. If you think editing is frustrating try actual campaigning for one person you really care about. I am not going to tell you to come back. But you did a good job and I hope good things come to you too now also. desi don't really understand the four tilda thing I was going to type four tildas but that can't be right and young people can be cruel. desi — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondCoutinho (talk • contribs) 10:26, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah yeah what is the purpose of a wiki biography. It gives basic info and people have to start somewhere. I can provide you with direct quotes from her letters stating what she believes in, that her way of being is one of extreme non-violence, ie lasting change which comes through non-confrontation, respect and love for adversaries. I can quote you her words and her metaphors. You will know it is hers by the folk english indian grammar and the gentleness of her style. But if Wiki won't allow Irom Sharmila's words to appear on Irom Sharmila's biography page then it is Wiki that misses out. I appreciate the fact that the editors have no personal knowledge of Sharmila grants them greater objectivity but merely deleting her words when they are offered is short sighted vandalism. Having said that the internet is a big place and her words are like weeds other sites agreed to publish I have fulfilled her request. Pity that Khazar chappie left he got fed up with constant criticism from both wiki and the world I hope he has moved on to happier things. I am off on another 3 week noble silent retreat soon and I know that is more effective then offering updates here. But if it is your wish to have the bare bones of lists of awards and dates it's a good place for researchers to start looking to learn more. The best way is to meet her yourselves. One day soon I hope she will be free and you can do so. If anonymous users delete my entries unnecessarily I hope they are undone. If someone wants to take credit for changes fair enough if people agree with them. WP:BLP VIOLATION REMOVED. Not sure why you removed the verifiable sources confirming her choice in life partner. It has caused her some discomfort the reports have been suppressed within Manipur. One would have hoped the internet and wiki would allow free expression of a verifiable fact the journalist concerned is Sonia Sharka of the Calcutta Herald I believe it's name. She had her reasons for breaking the story and I don't think she wants to annoy any one in manipur by pushing it too hard now but she broke it and you can't unring a bell. Time will tell. But if the rules are about verification then they seem to be arbitrarily used now a keen editor has gone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondCoutinho (talk • contribs) 04:28, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey there Ericbo1 i am sure you are a fine subeditor but until you have worked out hte importance of bollywood to Indian politics maybe cool your jets. It's an important addition for those who want info it's a pity that subediting is done by people so ignorant of the subject matter some knowledge is necessary in order to the job beyond that of wiki conventions because I can't be bothered to learn them for wiki but we all have our foibles Superman had kryptonite I have a refusal to consent to standardized referencing systems like Harvard or Wiki. I've survived life this long too late for me to learn now. ciao bello I'll present my evidence elsewhere from now on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondCoutinho (talk • contribs) 04:21, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I've replied on your talk page... hopefully you were able to read it before you left. Eric Leb 01 (Page &#124; Talk)  04:33, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

POV concerns
An Editor posted a concern that I am too close to Sharmila fair enough. But I don't really update anything anymore. If people want to find out about her they will have to find other means. Wiki is to provide a base of verifiable data. So long as people don't arbitrarily remove information that's fine. There doesn't appear to be anyone else willing either to discuss POV concerns or to update the information. In the past when I have vandals have just removed everything. People can find out more by other means but there's a lot of rubbish posted on the Web and one false reference still on Wiki which I leave just to confirm the lazy still quote Wiki when they haven't done their homework. The only thing I'd keep for now are her trial dates. But that will soon end. The main people who would take an interest in this page would be corrupt officials from Manipur and those who profit from its lawlessness. And of course wiki editors who like to edit things. But it's only one source and the internet will fail if people revert to one source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondCoutinho (talk • contribs) 03:45, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I tried to make the page flow better and reflect a neutral POV. I removed most of the trial dates that have passed. It didn't look like anything notable came from them. I left the December 9th date, maybe something will happen then and the article can be updated. ParacusForward (talk) 01:14, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

First problem ParacusForward like most wiki editors you don't understand the subject but wiki functions like a micropedia if they want more information the real people's encyclopaediais called Google. Either you don't understand the problems of getting past the big brother police state of Manipur where people are terrified to report the truth or you don't care. I thought perhaps this might be a place to release info but I noticed the spike in info came from reports available via google. One national tv company followed by a local newspaper broke the story on the death threats and hate mail. Then the gangsters responded in an Indian national tabloid. Now they are trying to put the djinn back into the bottle. I don't think you are necessarily malicious the police and security forces wouldn't have to pay you to supress the truth. PERSONAL ATTACK REMOVED. One of the sources the only one I saw that was completely incorrect is a Chinese Government Human Rights Agency. They are not so hot on Tibet and can be truthful on non chinese human rights abuses but in Manipur they have close links with the major human rights NGO which has long been run by the local police. I am sure things will happen but since you haven't got any interest in updating it none will report it here. I don't believe it is helpful either. PERSONAL ATTACK REMOVED. I am sending her Hard Times if you haven't read it Wiki does a good summary they are also good for things like definition of satyagraha but for up to date info Google is the first port of call or Twitter. So anyway good luck with your project but the manner in which a few ignorant racist wiki editors claim ownership of this venture with nobody else having the courage to challenge them in case they too are red handed by a confederacy of dunces will make it less relevant. It is far from accurate or up to date. Mainly because editors like you do not have sufficient background understanding of hte politics and culture of the articles you edit. Before I began editing wiki hadn't updated info for several years. No doubt now you will accept unchallenged the false government reports which because they carry the weight of Chinese Propaganda agencies and local newspapers wholly intimidated by the Manipur State and corrupt police will now stand unchallenged by the editors who look only at code grammar and syntax and have no understanding of hte problems of truth reporting from within a police state of the third world. Idiots like you will also complain how your own press are not independent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondCoutinho (talk • contribs) 14:24, 12 November 2013‎


 * Ok, enough. DesmondCoutinho, your inability to refrain from making personal attacks on contributors, combined with your apparent refusal to comply with the obligatory requirements regarding proper sourcing of contentious material suggests to me that it will be necessary to request that you be topic-banned from editing this article or blocked from editing Wikipedia entirely. I suspect that such a request will be a formality. However, before I do that, I'll make one proposal: will you agree (a) not to edit the article directly yourself (as Wikipedia conflict of interest guidelines suggest), (b) not to make further personal attacks on contributors, and (c) confine any further posts on this talk page to requests for the article to be edited by others - such requests to be accompanied by the necessary published reliable sources? The choice is yours, and you don't have to agree - but if you don't, and you carry on the way you have been, you will have to take responsibility for your own actions, with the likely result that you will have no further influence on this article at all. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:45, 12 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I am somewhat confused by this message. I received a "Thanks" from you 4 days ago regarding my edit to this page. So I am confused as to why this message was addressed to me, was the "thanks" click in error?
 * You wrote: "I thought perhaps this might be a place to release info". I don't think this is the place to release information (see WP:NOR). I think the best way to do that is to either work with a journalist, or work with Irom to create an official website elsewhere on the web for her. It would be appropriate to include an external link to that page here. Considering the ongoing challenges she is facing it would make sense for her to have a voice on the internet on her own website. This Wikipedia page cannot serve as that website. ParacusForward (talk) 07:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Dear few wiki editors who claim now to own wiki When these things become personal they can become petty. I don’t believe you have the competence to authorize a lifetime ban on another wiki editor ie another human being. Wiki doesn’t work that way. Neither do computers. You might approve of the techniques of third world dictatorships. But you’ll find it hard to enforce that kind of censorship on any part of the internet that isn’t entirely your own. Unless one of you is the wiki founder in which case you changed your tune mate not giving you any more donations. I was informed of the recent spate of death threats against Sharmila via a Mumbai Activist who received a message from a Manipuri who didn’t want to be named. PERSONAL ATTACK REMOVED. I don’t know how the story broke only that wiki had nothing to do with it. On 7th November at her fortnightly judicial remand hearing a reporter for a national Indian Television News Channel managed an 11 minute interview with Sharmila. You may be aware even if a reporter has a documented story they require multiple confirmations, sort of like wiki but these people have a broad and deep background knowledge of the culture politics history and current events around the topic. Wiki editors blindly follow protocols and then mix that with prejudice and uninformed reasoning often removing important disclosures because they lack any qualifications or experience to judge what matters. The page on Irom Sharmila has shrunk over the past two years because of the moronic conduct of a few over aggressive editors with too much time who race about different articles expunging data based on idiosyncratic nonsense. Content makes no difference to them whether they are editing articles on UFO sightings, the history of double entry bookkeeping or Irom Sharmila. Some examples are one editor decided loads of people are nominated for the long list of the Nobel Prize so he removed her nomination based on his opinion that long list nominations are not noteworthy. Hundreds of people are nominated every year for the long list. But there are now 7 billion people on this planet and I don’t believe any wiki editor has ever received a nomination or personally knows anyone who has. The short list is not published so wiki editors could argue it’s pure speculation. However informed opinion is published yearly by several respected organizations I believe one is called the Olaf trust (google is very helpful try it). For at least two consecutive years they have posited Sharmila as a possible on the short list which is always a single figure guess. Wiki editors have removed most of the smaller prizes offered to Sharmila because they didn’t like the Indian sounding names of the awards but they were fully referenced. Similarly they have removed at least one puppet production and two dance theatre productions about her. The graffiti image of her from Mumbhai is iconic. But because it wasn’t done by Banksy the snobbery of western wiki editors had it expunged. These people never use their real names and are bringing the concept of a free and open knowledge database into disrepute by the bullying and intimidation of anyone who disagrees with their nasty tactics in the case of this article. PERSONAL ATTACKS REMOVED. Hundreds will come to the article to learn more about Sharmila having read something somewhere and all will now leave disappointed because it adds nothing. The prime wiki editor of a people’s encylopaedia is people. The downside of giving the unqualified this sort of power is you reduce the quality and content of articles when ignorant bigot gangs take up personal vendettas. I presume the hope was you would only edit articles you where you had some knowledge of the subject. But some feel that they have now become professionalized wiki editors although they don’t need any outside reference to qualify them as experts. But back to the last key event that wiki will not allow to be noted along with many others. Usually before an interview the press are cautioned not to report any criticism of the Government of Manipur otherwise the privilege given to them will be removed. There’s an unspoken threat also that scribes have low life expectancy in Manipur. Manipur is like Sri Lanka only the press have more freedom in Sri Lanka. And the local police as yet do not believe the NHRC were serious about upholding Sharmila’s rights. I am sure the current batch of hate driven wiki editors know nothing about Sri Lanka too but will now scurry about any Lankan wiki site removing data for reasons best known to themselves. If you were to watch the interview which you probably won’t (others can google it) you’ll see that the interviewer presses Sharmila I think with sensitivity but she doesn’t want confrontation, it’s not the way of satyagraha (read wiki for that but please don’t censor it the chappie seems to know what he is talking about). The interviewer already knows what is going on unlike these wiki editors but he needs her to confirm. As he tries to draw her into giving up a name several IPS officers start to crowd him announcing the interview is over. It’s really quite dramatic. It’s a pity the real world doesn’t interest you. WP:BLP VIOLATION REMOVED. It’s always the cover up. The Goodfellas got really annoyed that someone broke the news embargo. And yes these guys do give as their reasoning for criminal acts that they you did not give them enough respect. WP:BLP VIOLATION REMOVED. This is not news to anyone who actually knows something about Sharmila or Manipur. WP:BLP VIOLATION REMOVED. For the last week or so the confirmations you claim you need multiplied at least two local Manipuri newspapers condemning Sharmila for her lack of gratitude in releasing news of the death threats against her, two Indian National Tabloids not really adding very much and the original TV interview now also on You Tube which is also a better place to look for info on Sharmila by the way. But this is not about improper referencing. I had one chappie here claiming I would save wiki, that’s for people who use it to do for themselves. I really don’t care about wiki and if one editor with a grudge can ban another editor without due process then that makes you less fair than Manipur which is a third world shithole, full of inbred xenophobic rednecks (no dig at wiki nerds intended). The thing is the story broke without wiki. A few years back Wiki editors removed the story about Sharmila which was broken by an Indian Media company also against the wishes of the local mafia. That time it was another national tabloid and in revenge the local cops had it burnt and banned. They now pay 15% tax and handed over editorial control to one of the Goodfellas in Manipur. I have no idea why wiki editors removed that story sometimes they remove stuff because of the lust to edit. It comes out with a basic google search if you let google guess the end of a partial question, which means it’s been trending in Google even if wiki has expunged the story. Anyway you can’t burn and ban a TV broadcast if you are just a small town gangster. WP:BLP VIOLATION REMOVED. And Truth is an absolute defence under Indian Law. She is safer for now. If they try to arrange for example a spontaneous uprising of a local 25 strong rentamob burning her effigy in the street or if they continue with the hate mail and death threats then it’s more pressure on the NHRC to have her removed to Delhi at least until the end of her trial. I’ll be beside her in Delhi if the Manipur State obeys the law and sends her. And I’ll be in Imphal to visit her in Xmas if they don’t. Ordinarily I’d offer to put the dates up on her wiki page since the only request I get from odd manipuris is what dates am I coming. You’d just edit it out. And the local police will inform them if they want something done. The set up is a bit like Burma a set of articles you really should leave alone. Burmans are very protective of Suu Kyi if you tried to sabotage any wiki page about her they’d retaliate robustly. But you make it sound like you are barring me from a private gentlemen’s club, a bit like being savaged by a dead sheep. And I still do not believe you have the authority unless you own the site. It was meant to intimidate any editor who wished to break the news embargo placed by the Manipur State upon Irom Sharmila Chanu. I’ll be back in a few years inshallah you won’t be around. You’ll have moved on to Paris Hilton or may i suggest any area you have some knowledge of. You editors never stay on any one article for long. You live to edit and I shouldn’t be so harsh with you guys. There are 7 billion others who might actually care. I am trying them Knock yourself out then, put in commas remove brackets, one chappie who really thinned out the page used to do it as a form of chronic pain control. Nobody will update for a fair while. You’ll get bored here coz you’ll have nothing to do or you’ll edit it down to Irom Sharmila this article is a stub, and then you’ll go edit something else and no doubt have terrible vendettas with other people who have a passion for their subject. You and wiki are unimportant. Why write then. Because you are liars and I should make the effort to confront obvious lies. So this page will do unless of course you edit it out and nobody else undoes that undo. Wiki does have fine pages for lists I am working through Human Rights Organizations one thing leads to another. And if she is released. We get to live our lives and I have no further interest in the internet. There’s really no need to make it personal I don’t care whether you live or die I am sure you feel the same about me and Sharmila. But if there were a simpler way to access all the info wiki editors delete from an article at one click that would be much more informative then the thinned out page. Even an extended page cannot sum up a person. But this one has been thinned out over the years by different wiki editors and that means by definition ordinary ignorant people with no specialist knowledge of the subject. Anyone who had learnt anything about Sharmila elsewhere would already more informed than the current wiki half page. But as I noted before if people want to learn more they can use Google. I would ask who you are but I really don’t care. This Xmas I am going to Imphal to see my girl. Like all cowardly abusers the Police and their sponsored goons will back down when I face up to them. Although it helps to have a foreign passport, money and no overarching desire to extend my life beyond the moment. We all follow our bliss. Some get to edit out extra commas from wiki articles and ban turbulent dissidents. I hope your turkey isn’t too dry for you. And some of us get to spend Xmas in Imphal with the woman of our dreams. I am Desmond Coutinho, 23 Shannon Oaks, Portumna, Co Galway and I am Sharmila’s fiance and only chosen spokesman. I presume you’ll want a last word. In the past if I drew attention to what I thought was an unjustified series of cuts the editor would go back and make some more. I am not claiming moral superiority to anyone else. I’m not that nice or kind which should be easy to work out. But then that’s her choice, her fundamental human right to choose whomever she wishes even if it he is jerk. And from my limited experience nice guys got no stamina. What will not happen is for a wiki editor who understands editing to go back and fix the mess. You’ll either make a few more cuts or walk away. That’s why I am leaving this article and working on what wiki does well. Lists of agencies who might help break the media embargo and isolation order illegally placed upon Irom Sharmila Chanu. A good thing is that bloggers no longer just requote the wiki introduction and rename it a new article. People need to look at more than one source. There are bots that can push meaningless articles to the top of a google search and other bots that can remove articles from an ordinary google search. Archives can be deleted and if people understood the technology and had the money they could broaden the embargo. People either care about her or they don’t. It is clear the current batch of wiki editors don’t. Unfortunately neither do most Manipuris. As Tagore put it sometimes you have to become the candle and burn till others light their own way from you. (google will find you the exact quote). — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondCoutinho (talk • contribs) 11:39, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Comment
WP:BLP VIOLATION REMOVED. But this is wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondCoutinho (talk • contribs) 18:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

WP:BLP VIOLATION REMOVED. if he isn't paying you then you are stupid as well as uninformed. Desmond Coutinho still not idea what you mean by this is unsigned. The other errors and misinformation are minor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondCoutinho (talk • contribs) 14:47, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Message for Andy the Grump who is looking very keen these days. You asked if it was wrong to change the word order of her name from Irom Sharmila Chanu to Irom Chanu Sharmila. It doesn't matter both are commonly used by Meitei women. So to answer your question. No it's not wrong. Desmond Coutinho still no idea what you mean by signing my name I just did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondCoutinho (talk • contribs) 15:26, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Serious problems with citations
WP:BLP VIOLATION REMOVED. I will add some details updating what is actually happening in Manipur. But I'll put it here in talk because you dont get rid of stuff here and I don't want to get into a flame war with the Manipur Security Forces. The current legal battle is now in a stand off. WP:BLP VIOLATION REMOVED. This would have provided a fig leaf clearly to allow her to die within weeks of her release. The fake riot would then target the Roman Catholic Community because I am a Roman Catholic and the belief certainly over the New Year was that Mr Modi liked that sort of thing. Then he lost the Delhi Election where the Church Burnings had begun and made a promise to his new friend President Obama. WP:BLP VIOLATION REMOVED. Some of these events are reported some aren't. I served 77 days in Sajwa Jail protecting Sharmila's life. And I helped defer this latest death plot. In this I was supported primarily by a local community in Portumna and our Irish TD Mr Paul Connaughton. Once the External Affairs Ministry in Delhi began an inquiry prison life lost its grittiness. My prison stories are for my fiancee. For now she is safe. There was a more rigorous illegal isolation order placed upon her by the then SP Imphal Jail. But after I gave testimony to the Chief Justice of Manipur on the beatings he gave me while I tried to present the last court order we had jointly applied for he was removed over the new year. Two additional SPs took over charge of visits and now a new SP has been appointed one for the women's prison and one for hte men's prison in Manipur.

She has no genuine support. The SS group is a bit of internet froth. The last campaign from Alcatraz Prison has done far more good for her. Any group that isn't actively involved in trying to manufacture her death is ok in my book. But the bar is that low. Nobody will stand up for her in Manipur. When I return next time and I will return because she has no one else there, I will have countermeasures in place. Manipuri Security Forces are snivelling sadists. If they think they might be held to account they will back down. Or they get the kill order. Like I said I am the only one prepared to stand up for her. It will be difficult to confirm the details of what I am claiming and so what if could. If the External Affairs Ministry does a genuine investigation I'll give you the link to that and I am sure the local gangsters can think of some kind of damage limitation. But they won't be able to have her killed off and claim it as a human rights victory again. I've told them many times leave us alone I'll leave you alone. This time they gave me credibility in her eyes, the only ones that matter.

Sure keep an eye out on extreme claims by a few internetheads. But who cares what they claim. They can't even talk the talk. Sajwa Jail is like any third world shit hole. Torture derives its power from fear and ignorance. The only group of Manipuri men I have any respect for are my fellow prisoners of Sector 7 Sajwa Jail (pronounced Sa-jee-wa). Next time I arrive in Manipur as Sharmila's lifeguard and they ask do I have friends and family here I'll happily respond if they want more details Sector 7 Room 1. This site is irrelevant but you do seem to maintain your rules. Unfortunately the local media in Manipur is worthless and the national and south asia correspondents of international press agencies stay in Delhi and get fed photos and interviews from the comfort of their five stars. I am a foreign national. They were very stupid to organize the punishment beatings the false arrest and illegal detention and of course torture in a conflict zone which is termed a crime against humanity by more civilized countries or as the British High Commission would prefer it put, we wish to show humility to the Indian Government, we are happy to put up Statues to Gandhi-ji in Parliament Square but the hope is in return for our humility you will buy British when it comes to the Arms Trade. Humility doesn't work with the Asiatic mind. And now they have crossed a line. It is UK citizens who will be targetted for the next bail scam and other standard manipuri bullshit abuses. All grist for the Mill. The world will not act for Sharmila alone. But once they start making it the problem of Foreign Embassies all grist for the mill.

Due to continual nibbling away of information by some very uninformed editors the section on current legal battle makes absolutely no sense. It appears to be remnants of longer pieces of information standing in isolation. If anyone can work out there are two trials now in progress one which started in September 2012 at the Delhi Patiala Court heard by Mr Justice Akash Jain based on a FIR filed by the Delhi Police due to her fasting at the Delhi Jantar Mantar 6 October 2006. That trial has now completed two full days of hearings the next production warrant the 14th is set for October 30-31 2014 2 days of prosecution witnesses. The second trial is in Imphal. So after her arrest on fresh charges March 2014 the Imphal Police pressed charges at that point a local corrupt lawyer turned up and decided that the best thing was for all charges to be dropped and Sharmila to be placed in a death tent where he desire to starve herself to death over a few weeks could be respected. The Chief Judicial Magistrate rejected his plea to dismiss all charges after 13 years of imprisonment because someone might ask why did you imprison her then and keep her in solitary if there was no case to answer. The lawyer then appealed to higher Court the District & Sessions Judge. When this Judge looked at the case he pointed out the prosecution hadn't actually submitted any evidence of any wrong doing other than suggesting that everybody knew she was on a fast to death. Given that following procedural rules of evidence in court no evidence was actually being presented just references to hearsay the Judge ruled that in the absence of positive evidence to suggest mens rea he didn't need to look into the validity of the actus reus of whether hunger striking was grounds for arrest under the attempted suicide legislation so he dismissed the charges adding that he felt the Government should take measures to preserve Sharmila's health because even if hte Prosecution hadn't bothered to present any evidence he knew she was on a hunger strike and would die without farther intervention. Subsequently the Government re-arrested Sharmila on a fresh charge of attempted suicide and appealed to the Manipur High Court to have the District & Sessions Judge's judgement overturned and for a trial to proceed. Meanwhile Sharmila is held at the JNIMS security ward (not house arrest because then she would be in her own home) on 15 day judicial remand. The last judicial remand renewal was 5th September (the next one is due on 19th September) the last hearing of the Manipur High Court regarding the judicial review of the previous case dismissal was 3 September when they sought more papers but it appears this is all to complicated for wiki editors so they have gone with what appear to be verifiable facts in no particular order which when read do not make any sense at all. In this they are true to the actual Indian court proceedings. Desmond Coutinho again look I have just signed my name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondCoutinho (talk • contribs) 13:58, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

I have removed the advertisments of the SS group on the ground that wiki does not support advertisements. Apart from being solely an internet group with only two active members its sole aim is to justify the ending of force feeding preventing a fair trial and preventing re-arrest. This would result in Sharmila's death in 7-20 days. But if anybody wants to come to their defence let them identify themselves. While I was imprisoned and being tortured you wiki editors were allowing the SS group to justify all sorts. This is a reference to the dubious credentials of the SS group https://www.timesofassam.com/headlines/irom-sharmilas-court-appearance-insensitivity-of-state/ they work for a man called Mr Babloo Loitongbam who has a dubious relationship with the Indian Intelligence Bureau. Google for more. I am here to put some truth about what is happening to Sharmila when she is dead I am sure everyone will have say in the end apart from me. There will always be a problem with crowd sourcing if nobody checks facts.

reverting DhrubaDeka
This is the explanation for reverting DhrubaDeka's edits, which I originally posted on his talk page and has since been removed. The edits were reverted back without discussion.
 * You've re-added some material that was removed that had been discussed on the talkpage, but you didn't join in the discussion on the talk page and say why the material should be in the article. The WP:BRD essay explains how to deal with disputes. Simply reverting edits you disagree with can be considered WP:editwarring.
 * You've removed an external link with the justification "Promoting a blogspot blog without any authentication." I'm not sure what you mean by authentication. The organisation has been campaigning for the article's subject over a long period. I added the link and I am not a supporter of the organisation, so it is not "promoting". That they are using blogspot as a host is immaterial. Please see External links for our guidelines on external links. If you think it should be removed you need to explain why on the article's talk page.
 * You've removed an archiveurl to webcitation.org for no reason I can gather. I suggest you read Link rot so that you understand how important this is to the page.
 * You've removed a reference because "Source link expired and source domain being used for other purpose". However the reference had a date accessed field and is archived in the Internet Archive. You later removed some content and another reference for the same reason. If you don't understand how something works please ask someone; don't just remove it. -- haminoon  ( talk ) 07:30, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Haminoon - you have vandalized this page enough. You have removed many citations from reputed Indian Media and adding valueless Blogspot blogs and promoting some self pro-claimed activists. Having a blogspot blog and few people as team to distribute press release by email doesn't increase any authenticity. You must come up with valuable citation. Otherwise your edits will be revised.

comments
Limited to statement of fact which cannot be libellous. The SS group is seeking the ending of all trials, the stopping of rearrests and the ending of force feeding which will resutlt in the death of my fiancee Irom Sharmila within 7-20 days. I am seeking only for their supporters to come forward Mr Haminoon has done so. This is not a libellous statement. https://www.timesofassam.com/headlines/irom-sharmilas-court-appearance-insensitivity-of-state/ This is a reference to the SS group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondCoutinho (talk • contribs) 07:48, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The group Coutinho is referring to uses the acronym SSSC, not SS. Strangely enough Amnesty International is also calling for the stopping of all re-arrests. Mr Coutinho's latest input into the article was mostly unrefererenced and possibly contained original research and falsehoods. He has been warned many times about posting original research and conflict-of-interest editing. I have incorporated some of his material into the article but his latest edits had nothing salvageable. -- haminoon  ( talk ) 09:58, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

The SS group has gone through many name changes the only consistent acronymic letters are SS and fo ther historical allusion I have kept those two. If Amnesty International India is calling for the end of all re-arrests which would mean the end of force feeding and her death within 7-20 days then that is for Amnesty International to justify if I say anymore Mr Haminoon having allowed discussion will now just as arbitrarily revoke the discussion. I have provided two references for this counterview which Mr Haminoon removed without reason this time. There is a counterview which has plenty of references it is time wiki editors stood beside fair comment and free speech. Otherwise people are scared off by petty bullies with very strange backers — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesmondCoutinho (talk • contribs) 10:52, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a counter-view - it was original research. The text you wrote wasn't backed up with references. You have been told many times what orginal research is and have chosen to ignore it. -- haminoon  ( talk ) 11:23, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Mr Haminoon you deleted a reference to an 11 minute interview by Ashok Pandy of NDTV which is a national indian news TV company and you deleted two more references from the Indian Express and a report from a local news paper in Manipur. You have also deleted all references to the trials in Manipur. I have refrained from explaining what is said in the interview. As I have undone your delete others can check ie listen to the 11 minutes where Sharmila refers to honor killing, talks of the diversion of funds, and compares these so called supporters to the Taliban. In the Indian Express story filed by a terrified young woman scribe. She points out that these fake supporters would not allow Sharmila to take her satyagraha to Ima's Market and that the police backed the false supporters. In the other reference it is shown that the last time she did manage to get to the Imas market it looked like she would have mass support so again the false supporters took her away and arranged for an easy arrest the next morning. These are all referenced. I do not have a lifetime ban. Sharmila has about a year left to live. It is for those with integrity among wiki editors to examine the facts. You are telling untruths now and need to step back. Sharmila will be dead soon. You have already stated that you understand these groups are demanding unconditional release and you understand that this means an end to force feeding and you understand that the nonmoral medical facts are that Sharmila will be dead within 7-20 days of that outcome. Your defence appears to be Amnesty backs the call. I do not wish to discuss this with you as you have your own agenda. But It's difficult to get anyone to back you when you are in violation of wiki policies and continue to tell untruth. This is a discussion page. Is there anyone who doesn't want her dead prepared to look at the references I have provided and see whether they should stand or not. This is a biography page for Irom Sharmila Chanu not that of Haminoon or the groups he supportsDesmondCoutinho (talk) 13:51, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * For the benefit of anyone else reading the above exchange; most of the above is completely untrue. I am not a supporter of SSSC. -- haminoon  ( talk ) 10:15, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Haminoon - you have vandalized this page enough. You have removed many citations from reputed Indian Media and adding valueless Blogspot blogs and promoting some self pro-claimed activists. Having a blogspot blog and few people as team to distribute press release by email doesn't increase any authenticity. You must come up with valuable citation. Otherwise your edits will be revised. Comment added by Dhruba Jyoti Deka 07:53, 11 July 2015 (UTC)DhrubaDeka DhrubaDeka

Senior Editors' Observation needed
I appeal attention of Senior editors from the globe to maintain the accountability of this page.

There have been many poor citations that are being used for cheap link building purposes and self-promotions.

Wiki user Haminoon is proven as doing vandalism here with inclusion of dead/non-existing & poor citations. He is including blogspot blogs also as references.

Haminoon should know the following:


 * Anyone can create a Blogspot blog and write this or that for years. If we start to give value to Blogspot blogs(that too not blogs of renown people) - then Wikipedia will be spammed by Blogspot blog links.
 * No reference should be served as self promotion that is not relevant to Irom Charmila.
 * What is "Save Irom Sharmila Campaign"? Where it is?? What they have done??? Do they have any valid citation of their instead of their own blog? If not then why they should be promoted?

Hence I appeal attention to prevent vandalism on this page.

Dhruba Jyoti Deka 07:39, 11 July 2015 (UTC) DhrubaDeka
 * I'm sure you are capable of doing a Google News search for the "Save Sharmila Solidarity Campaign". It appears to be run by people involved with Human Rights Alert, which Sharmila was working for prior to the Malom massacre. I understand that some people are unhappy with some of the people involved in these activist groups but Wikipedia is not a place for settling scores. All I can go on is what the reliable references say. I've done quite a bit of work to improve referencing on this article, including adding archive links for dead links, so I don't appreciate your accusations. If you can find one example of me being "proven as doing vandalism" or adding non-existent citations I'll eat a hat. Most of this article was written by people a long way from India so I doubt there is much self-promotion in it. -- haminoon  ( talk ) 07:56, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * News based on press release from any organization(that is not active in any field work) can't be served as any valuable citation. Everyday many organization claims "this" or "that" via emails. If Wikipedia starts serving such press release based news - that too, for such organization who is not active in practical field - then Why don't you serve Al-Qaida's claims too? Make sense? Dhruba Jyoti Deka 08:12, 11 July 2015 (UTC)DhrubaDeka

I also prefer google to wiki for reliable in depth info. But if the claim is the SS group is a front for HRA then why have you not published a verifiable reference for that. I am not for suppression of facts but allowing both views to be published. And if the SS is part of the HRA then there would be a 11 year gap between the starting of Sharmila's fast and the formation of the first SS group. I don't think that your statement that the SS groups are run by people involved with HRA is verifiable that's why you haven't verified it. Even if it were true that is not what they want published.

Certainly the HRA does use Sharmila's name in negotiations with the Manipur CM Ibobi Singh to remove the AFSPA from Imphal West and Imphal East in 2004 and the founder of the HRA Joykumar Singh then took over policing in Imphal becoming the first DG Imphal Police Commandoes. You must be capable of using google news to look into the link between the police the State Intelligence Bureau and the HRA. The problem seems to be that wiki follows Hume. You can verify only facts not theories, sequence and not consequence. If wiki editors have broken any of wiki's rules as regards payment that is a internal matter for wiki. This page is talk about Irom Sharmila yes.78.16.54.211 (talk) 08:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Both of you: please stop misrepresenting statements and edits of other editors. -- haminoon  ( talk ) 09:22, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Legal situation
I came here from COIN and started looking things over. I don't understand the current legal situation. In this dif I removed incoherent content that tried to address the current legal situation and said there are two trials going on concurrently. The article as it stands doesn't explain clearly. I am going to start digging into this to look for sources that explain what is going on. If anybody interested in this has reliable sources that explain, it would be very helpful to post them here. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 17:02, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Some chap wanted reports on the two trials in Imphal. Today this was posted on Epao which is an on line repository of various manipuri media agencies http://www.e-pao.net/epGallery.asp?id=8&src=AFSPA_Related/Sharmila20150804 It does not state what happened at the trial. But they appear to be up to date photographs of Irom Sharmila entering and leaving Uripok Cheirap Court. It's a third world police state. But I can confirm these are photos of Uripok Cheirap Court and that is Irom Sharmila. The photographer claims he took them on 4 August. The previous trial date second day of prosecution witnesses was set for 17 July. It is likely that on this last occasion the Judge will have formally authorized her presentation at the Delhi Patiala Court because they don't like disrespecting brother judges. I fully understand you cannot publish this info that is why I am posting it here. And when she is dead I don't really care what you publish.78.17.55.197 (talk) 09:38, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That site is not a reliable source. Jytdog (talk) 12:43, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

This is the first report of Sharmila being sent for trial to Delhi http://thepeopleschronicle.in/?p=14918 You have to understand how to read third world censored police state news reports. Wheels are already up. She'll be arriving at Delhi airport in the next few hours. Because he is pushing hard the date of 12 August and the prosecution has already rested then this is my original research. The defence will present no case. The Judge will allow Sharmila to speak her in her defence briefly then the Defence will rest and verdict will be delivered the same day. If they have flexible tickets the Manipuris will fly her out 12 August early morning. I get you don't care. But you cannot have verifiable reporting from a third world police state. Maybe read some Orwell and get up to speed. By tomorrow other Manipuri press will begin reporting her departure. In Delhi on the other hand there is a chance for some verifiable reporting. But that will depend on Journalists in Delhi. There is a new law that prohibits the press from talking to undertrial prisoners in case their reports mind put India in a poor light. So journalists have to pay a bond of 1 lac rupees and submit any recorded materiel to the Jail SP for three days. If in his opinion they intend to publish something that will show India in a poor light he can confiscate all materiel and publishing against his determination becomes a criminal offence http://thewire.in/2015/08/08/centre-under-fire-for-new-guidelines-that-severely-restrict-access-to-prisoners-8086/. I get the whole current accepted wisdom thing but you don't seem to understand the problems of discovering the truth about political prisoners kept in isolation in third world police states. I do hope I don't get banned for writing this. We are free here still yes. 78.17.55.197 (talk) 08:00, 10 August 2015 (UTC) Hell yeah they have barred me from commenting there on orders of the fury. Bunch of poor little rich kids who would sell out their grannies for a few paise. it's the photographs and the date taken that might be reliable. All be over soon mate one way or another.78.17.55.197 (talk) 13:49, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper or blog. What we record in the article needs to be reliable. That is just what this place is.  If you have some reliable sources to bring that we can use, then please do feel free to post here.  Otherwise, please stop using this page as a blog for soapboxing - I will delete future posts like the one above.  I am sympathetic to Irom but Wikipedia is what it is.  Thanks. Jytdog (talk)

If I see anything I'll post it here and you can decide. You seem like an intelligent chap you post what you want. And shove your sympathy. Can i say that?78.17.55.197 (talk) 13:14, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I haven't found anything on the Imphal trials. I've noticed journalists cover her many trials haphazardly. -- haminoon  ( talk ) 09:39, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

With all due respect the trials in Imphal began only in August 2014. All references to them were taken out by editors on the grounds of recentism.

They were reported from August 2014 when Mr Khaidem Mani appeared as senior counsel for Irom Sharmila. In August he put forward the plan to have all trials ended. He failed with the Judicial Magistrate First Class who ruled that there was a case to be heard and ordered the trial to begin, so he appealed to the Chief Judicial Magistrate Imphal East who agreed with the previous judge and all the other juges who had granted judicial remand pre-trial for the previous 14 years on fortnightly repeated judidial remands. However the District & Sessions Judge at Uripok Cheirap Court dismissed that particular Charge Sheet on the grounds that the police hadn't brought any evidence. In legal terms as the prosecution had failed abysmally to show any evidence of mens rea he wasn't going to rule on whether there was any actus reus. However this led to some confusion whether she could be rearrested on a fresh charge if the police actually brought evidence. To make certain the Government of Manipur challenged the District & Sessions Court Judgement of August 2014 at the Manipur High Court. The Manipur High Court also in August stayed the verdict of the District and Sessions Court and you can find verifiable reports that they have done and are awaiting defence counsel's reports. On being re-arrested in August on fresh charges then by the police that came to trial in November where I was present and Mr Mani had by use of public punishment beatings kept all press away from farther hearings. This was the second trial in Imphal (if you delete this account from talk no one will ever know what's going on but your call) There had been no previous trials apart from these two. Mr Mani then attempted the same strategy to demand that the trial be stopped on various legal fig leafs, ie double jeopardy, that IPC 309 had been nullified, that even if it hadn't been nullified that a political hunger strike is not an attempt to commit suicide and therefore hte previous 14 years imprisonment ruled legal by all the previous judges was in fact illegal, he also included the entire 100 page Malta Declaration of the World Health Association as part of the evidence and on 22 December also began a series of punishment beatings in and outside the court to persuade the judge to give an answer before Xmas day. So as not to waste the time of the busy. The Judge Mr Justice Wisdom Kamodang Judicial Magistrate first class imphal east at Lamphel Court complex ruled that the police had not brought any evidence to go to trial and therefore without any actual evidence from the prosecution being presented he was dismissing the case that was on January 22 2015 while Mr Mani had me banged up in Sajwa Jail being tortured I assumed they were going to kill me as they clearly were trying to have her killed. This time the Government of Manipur did not appeal the decision but rearrested Sharmila and that FIR of 22 January 2015 was turned into a charge sheet on 20 June 2015 the second day of trial was 4 July 2015. You can of course work backwards to the last verifiable report. But essentially the trials began in Imphal in August 2014 which was reported widely especially the release on grounds of lack of evidence though widely misrepresented (the original judgement is available on line) and the last report of the three trials in Imphal was on 22 January 2015 it was actually also my habeas corpus day but I was not presented because some reporters did come to report a new release and they would have had access to me and so to avoid any suggestion of truth saying I was detained more illegally. But this page is not about me Mr Haminoon or the spokesman he has alluded to as Sharmila's true spokesman. I am sure that was too much information for some but it is why you are having difficulties and shows how those difficulties can be overcome. Where there is a will there is a way. We called them proverbs when I was young.78.16.54.211 (talk) 08:26, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Page protection
In light of the ongoing violations of the WP:BLP policy, which applies to Talk pages as well as articles, I am seeking page protection so that IP addresses cannot edit the article or talk page. You cannot write things anywhere in WP about living people that are not supportable with reliable sources. Jytdog (talk) 14:38, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I think you're still going to have some problems with a few users, though I think you know who. Dr Crazy 102 (talk) 15:47, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Request edit on 21 October 2015
Paragraph 2 in the section The Fast and its Responses contains an unverifiable untruth "However, Amnesty International and the World Medical Association both dispute that a hunger strike is equivalent to suicide as hunger strikers "generally hope and intend to survive" That statement can be found nowhere in the Malta Declaration of the WHA which is provided as a reference for this made up statement. What the the WHA actually states is "Genuine and prolonged fasting risks death or permanent damage for hunger strikers and can create a conflict of values for physicians. Hunger strikers usually do not wish to die but some may be prepared to do so to achieve their aims." Amensty International India is alone in its belief that Hunger Strikers will stop from fasting if they are not force fed on the grounds as they say they generally hope and intend to survive. Can someone look at this and correct the statement,

I appreciate you won't go in the reasons for hte importance of this false statement and reference. But my understanding is that you people take encyclopaedias seriously and you have provided a quotation without verification falsely attributing the WHA Malta Declaration as backing for Amnesty International India's unique position. My name is Desmond Coutinho 2 Abbey Court, Portumna, Co Galway, Eire I am Sharmia's fiance and I have been given sole authority via a signed power of attorney form to speak on her behalf. That's who I am if you check the quotation you will see that it is unverifiable.

If you attribute it solely to Amnesty International India and provide a better summary of the WHA position that would better in terms of your enyclopaedia.

Thank you. I hope no one is going to get offended and demand I be barred from making comments coz I find that tiresome. No one is updating her story but I am told if I do offer anything you aren't a newspaper so i no longer bother.78.16.107.189 (talk) 09:10, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I looked at the this. The sentence being where it was violated WP:SYN so I deleted it.   Here is the sentence, if anyone wants to discuss:
 * However, Amnesty International and the World Medical Association both dispute that a hunger strike is equivalent to suicide as hunger strikers "generally hope and intend to survive".


 * - Jytdog (talk) 18:52, 23 February 2016 (UTC)