Talk:Irondequoit, New York

Updated Park Info
I have updated the information about Seneca Park and Durand Park being part of the city. I came across a 1967 book called "The Irondequoit Story" by Maude West, who was apparently the Town Historian. It chronicles the history of the town from the 1600s to 1967. I found the book at the Cooper Road library while looking for info on the parks, and I suspect it'll be a good source for information on other subjects for this entry as well. --Anson2995 20:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Durand Park
Durand Eastman Park and the golf course aren't in the Town of Irondequoit. According to the Monroe County Parks department, "Durand-Eastman Park is located on the shore of Lake Ontario in the northernmost section of the City of Rochester near the Irondequoit border." The City of Rochester website says exactly the same thing: "Durand-Eastman Park is located on the shore of Lake Ontario in the northernmost section of the City of Rochester."

It's also clear if you look at the Town of Irondequoit's website that Durand-Eastman isn't located within town borders. Note its absence from the Parks and Recreation departments list of parks, and note that it lies outside of the town borders on the map at the town website.

So in the absence of other evidence, I'm removing the links to Durand-Eastman Park and the Durand Golf Course from this page. --Anson2995 16:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the Town of Irondequoit's website shows that the park IS partially in Irondequoit and partially in the city of Rochester.

http://easystreets.mapworksinc.com/online_map.php?map_id=4

However, given that the historically important lakefront portion of the park is officially in the City of Rochester, and that the golf course clubhouse is in the part of the park owned by Rochester, I'll respect your edit.

Unfortunately, that literal interpretation of Irondequoit's boundaries makes the rest of the page inaccurate. For example, Irondequoit never reaches the Genessee River:

http://www2.census.gov/plmap/pl_blk/st36_NewYork/c36055_Monroe/PB36055_016.pdf

... and of course it excludes most of Culver Road and the northern portion of the park.

Frankly, I don't want to mess with making the definition more precise. One of us should upload a map for reference, based on the philosophy that a picture is worth 10,000 words.


 * On further consideration, I think the fact that this is so unclear -- even to longtime town residents -- means that we ought to explain it in this entry. One of the unusual things about the town of Irondequoit is how the city has carved out territory along the river and along the lakefront.  I'll write something up. Please le me know if you think it addresses the issue.  --Anson2995 00:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes I think you did a good job. It is accurate (I think), and also reasonably interesting. In fact, it has piqued my curiosity about how this whole border situation came to be in the first place. (I know the park was a land grant from Durand to the city, but that's about the extent of my knowledge.) One of these days I'll try to come back and spend some more time on it. I'm not sure how detailed this entry ought to be, but the history of the Rochester/Irondequoit relationship and the related boundary issues would make for an interesting addition, if we can find reliable facts on those subjects. I'm not in Rochester, so I can't get to the library and search through old newspapers. Maybe the info is on the internet somewhere.

Place Names
On several occasions, people have added entires to the "Communities and locations in Irondequoit" section that are erroneous. Some are place names that exist on some maps, such as "White City" or "Windsor Beach." These are names for some neighborhoods that aren't in common use, at least not in the 25 years that I have lived here.

There have also been several additions of sites that aren't actually in the town, such as Durand Beach and Durand Eastman Park (which is a Monroe County park within the city of Rochester's borders), Seneca Park (which is in the city limits), and the zoo (also in the city).

Wish I was more versed on town history... maybe I can spend some time at the library and then beef this entry up a bit. --Anson2995 18:36, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Windsor Beach and White City are still in use. They are names for areas in or by summerville.  White City originally was used to describe the white tents that were set up there for people camping in the summer.  Windsor Beach is the name of the beach in Summerville.


 * I know what White City refers to, I just don't think anybody uses that name to describe that area anymore. The tents were destroyed in a big fire in 1908, and afterwards were replaced by permanant houses. People call that whole area between St. Paul Blvd and Durand Park "Summerville", don't they?


 * As for Windsor Beach, it's not something I've ever heard the locals use except in a historical context. I've only seen "Windsor Beach" and "White City" on turn-of-the-century postcards. Maybe the best thing to do is to add these to a historical section.


 * Always interested to learn more stuff, so if I'm wrong please let me know. --Anson2995 15:06, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to re-raise the issue of place names. I have lived in Irondequoit since 1981, and I don't believe anybody uses the terms Bayview, German Village, Glen Haven, Newport, White City, or Windsor Beach to refer to current neighborhoods. I've only ever heard them used in a historical context (particularly the last two). There are no signs in any of those neighborhoods (that I'm aware of) that show their usage, and I've never seen those terms used in the local paper or by residents. Could someone point me to some evidence (online or local) that these names of neighborhoods are still in use? Anson2995 18:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

House of Guitars

 * The House of Guitars page along with this link seems to violate Wikipedia's stand on commercialism, but that is your choice,Stepp-Wulf 05:06, 11 February 2006 (UTC).
 * Frankly, it's never been entirely clear to me what that stance is. The WP link doesn't have a link to their website, and no one seems to have put the article itself up for deletion. From what I can see, people who know about the store see it as notable as far as stores go, and to me it looks like it's not too horribly self-serving, and because of these things I think it makes sense for the town which it is in to link to it. If you think the House of Guitars article doesn't live up to WP's standards of notability and think it should be AfD'd that's cool. I just figure, hey, it's here, might as well link it. Mak emi 05:17, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the House of Guitars is a significant cultural icon in the town, and perhaps more important in that sense than as a music store. There probably isn't another local business we could say that about. --Anson2995 00:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Two points: (1) The H of G reference links to an internal Wikipedia page, not to an external commercial page. If there is discussion that the page itself is inappropriate, the discussion should take place on that page, not here. (2) I tried to think of a parallel case to allow us to draw upon precedent. The closest parallel I could come up is the City Lights Bookstore in San Francisco. That is a retail outlet with a strong cultural/historical presence within its own community as well as national or international importance to a significant artistic subculture. City Lights does have a Wikipedia entry. ... Given that H of G has a page, and given that it seems to deserve that page based upon the City Lights precedent, I vote to let the link stand. --Uncle Scoopy 22:27 Central Time, 11 February 2006

Proposed Merge
As there is very little info in West Irondequoit High School, it is proposed to bring that information here to the main article. A search for Irondequoit will end up here -- MrDolomite 04:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Famous Citizens
Don Holleder, All-American end on Army's 1954 football team, which led the nation in offense, grew up in Irondequoit. He died at age 33, killed in Vietnam by a sniper's bullet while attempting to rescue wounded comrades.

could be true. possibly not though. someone who knows should edit --User24 00:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * cancel that, a quick google returns several results about this. the phrasing sounded like it could have been made up to me, but I was wrong. --User24 00:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Heck, we could probably have an article on Holleder. =)  Powers T 01:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There's only this so far: Holleder Memorial Stadium. J. Van Meter 11:40, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well hey, I'm writing a book on Holleder, so I could put together a wiki page. Anson2995 15:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I put together a first draft from memory, and I'll wikify it and add more details soon. Anson2995 16:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks like an absolute dump, especially near the Rochester border. Horrid little community with a lot of Mafia involvement. Absolutely horrid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.67.32.161 (talk) 00:55, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

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