Talk:Ishaq al-Mawsili

Reminder for me
To add:,. Aza24 (talk) 03:50, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Inappropriate use of the term "Arab"
The utilization of the term "arab" in this article is very confusing and borderline unprofessional. Even if this term is included in the source used, almost no reliable sources written by historians refer to him in this way because the term "arab" usually denotes the ethnicity of the individual, which would be incorrect in this case. If the term "arab" would be denoting something else, like music style, some clarification would be necessary, similar to how it's done in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_al-Mawsili

Not to mention, even Ibrahim al Mawsili (Ishaqs father) is referred to as "an Arab of Persian origin" in this article which is not only incorrect but contradictory to the previously mentioned article. The source used in Ibrahims article is (Fück, J. W. (1986). "Ibrāhīm al-Mawṣilī". The Encyclopedia of Islam, New Edition, Volume III: H–Iram. Leiden and New York: BRILL. doi:10.1163/1573-3912_islam_SIM_3455. ISBN 978-90-04-08118-5.)

these two individuals were not Arabs, they were Persians. The articles sourced for the problematic phrases are mostly written by musicians, not historians. We should not be continuing the mistakes of sources written by unqualified authors.

Please refer to this article to see how Ishaq al Mawsili's ethnicity is referred to: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ishaq-al-Mawsili

Or this one for Ibrahim al Mawsili: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ibrahim-al-Mawsili

For Persian sources on this matter please refer to this book: https://www.iranketab.ir/book/41707-iranian-music-lexicon

I do not want to make any more edits without the approval of other editors. I am hoping my concerns can be addressed as soon as possible. My preferred suggestion would be to remove the term Arab from the lead since the term "arab" is already used further in the article when referring to the music style. (in the musical career section). If we cannot agree upon that, I suggest taking the same approach that was taken in Ibrahim's article by referring to him as "an Arab musician of Persian origin."

edit: it seems as if id made a mistake, the lead does say "Arab musician of Persian origin" so I only changed the part speaking about Ibrahim.