Talk:Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music

Ishkur redirect
the search for Ishkur was originally redirected to adad and was changed to this page without explanation. I have reverted to the original--Ted-m 21:09, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * seems OK. A disambigutation would have been a solution too. Regards --LimoWreck 00:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Getting more guides
We need to possibly get a database of guides that give samples like Ishkur's guide. This would greatly enhance Wikipedia.
 * Are there others? If there are, I doubt they'd meet the notability guidelines, that's the thing.. - Zeibura (Talk) 21:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Hoax
A musicological non-sense: this article refers to a non-trustable and non-peer-reviewed source, that violates WP:OR, therefore should not be (troll-)listed as a reference or a guide in every "electronic" "galactic" "psycho" article (see the list of so called electronic music genres); the latters pseudo-(faked)-genres are just styles-variations of modern technopop. You can't fool the world. Be serious please.Doktor Who 18:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not the definition of a hoax. A hoax is a Wikipedia article which is not true, not a Wikipedia article about a website which may not be true. This article covers the questionable accuracy of Ishkur's guide, so there's no reason to call the article a hoax. I agree that Ishkur's Guide shouldn't be cited as a source, and I doubt very many people consider it citable. - Zeibura (Talk) 18:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, right, I agree with you, I mean only that this ishkur site is acting like a hoax because some "key" articles link it as a trustable site (and this is not difficult to check).--Doktor Who 20:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Ishkur's insults ?
First of all, please excuse my English, it is not perfect.

Quote of the Jpop description:

I mean, I'm sure the culture is swell once you get past all the incest and pedophilia and giant robots and all, but after that--huh? Japan is super crazy place, 100 PERCENT! Quote of the French House description:

If anything of value has ever come from France, it's this music right here. At this point, you can't NOT deny the genius that is Thomas Bangalter. He is the only reason why the world does not sack France.

Am I the only one offended by these words ? Is there anything to say about that in the wikipedia article ?--Bollzy (talk) 13:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Here is a quote from the interview with Kenneth John Taylor, a.k.a. Ishkur, by Joe Farbook:

Ishkur: Yeah, I'd have to say that it's definitely not as politically correct as the version on New Grounds. I've since re-wrote at least 80% of the definitions...to the point where they're not even definitions anymore, they're just funny little comments about that particular genre. And I cut into A LOT of styles. I really insult some of them. I swear, this thing is going to get me into a lot of trouble when I relaunch it on my site. but oh well. --Bollzy (talk) 13:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

What do you want to write? "Ishkur said some terribly racist things that are very offensive to some" ? This is an encyclopedia not livejournal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.133.201 (talk) 13:23, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you consider racist comments to be offensive to only "some" people and consider them forgettable minorities, you're a sociopath. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.94.242.194 (talk) 08:37, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

The final page should not include complaints or accusations but an unbiased explanation for internet surfers and aficionados alike when they are curious about a fascinating resource. In the disclaimer, Ishkur explicitly states that his (?) guide is a "non-technical...critique of electronic dance music." That easy-to-find quote (along with the rest of the disclaimer) seem to eliminate most of the qualms around the quality or validity of this guide. As implied; Ishkur's guide is more of a cultural phenomenon that could fascinate people than a badly organized attempt at drawing hard lines around genres to 'teach' and impress. It shows our need to categorize, and it's popularity shows, perhaps, the need to understand how we are different than those around us based on the nuances of the music we listen to, or merely our desire to understand the world we live in a little better. [On a personal note, I am frustrated to notice the comments about Jpop; I just discovered this guide today, and I must say that those comments do not endear me much to the creator. Props for Ishkur's insistance on not changing the racist remarks for this newest version? I guess? Like, uncensored vs. PC? <--Those last three sentences are at least half sarcasm] Thanks!! 50.131.29.131 (talk) 18:41, 12 January 2013 (UTC) Abby Laporte