Talk:Ishqbaaaz/Archive 2

Guest stars
I'm confused about the guest star listing. Usually a guest star will appear in a single episode, or occasionally you'll have someone with recurring roles as a guest star. There are a few people in the guest star list like Nehalaxmi Iyer as Saumya Rudra Singh Oberoi, and Navina Bole as Tia Kapoor, Shivaay's ex-fiancée, who have been in the series from 2016 to present. How are we making a distinction between a recurring cast member and a guest star? Are these people credited as "guest stars", or are we using our skills of interpretation to designated them as guest stars? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:38, 21 November 2017 (UTC)


 * They are former members Siddiq Sazzad    (Chat)     15:49, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Former members of what? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:15, 21 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Former members of Ishqbaaaz who left the show Siddiq Sazzad    (Chat)     13:25, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * So why aren't they in the Main or Recurring cast sections? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:33, 22 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't know because I am not edited the section. Siddiq Sazzad    (Chat)     18:03, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I've brought the section back into rough alignment with WP:TVCAST. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:13, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Can you explain this edit, where you raise the Guest star section heading up above Nishi Singh? Previously the heading contained a few entries, Barun Sobti, Kriti Sanon, Ayushmann Khurrana, Rajkummar Rao and Badshah, along with context about what shows they were promoting, making it very obvious that these were special guest stars. What criteria are you using to distinguish Navina Bole (or any of those other people) as a guest star instead of as a recurring cast member? To me, this looks like we're using "Guest stars" as a euphemism for former cast, which we should not be doing. Your explanation would be appreciated, thank you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:04, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Most of the people I have put in Guest stars section are actually guest stars means they had episodic roles (max 20 episodes) considering this a a daily soap opera. It would seem confusing since most of them appeared on average 5-10 episodes in singular story arc and are listed as recurring. I see where it might seem to confusing it with "Special Guest Stars". I've edited and added the few Special Guest Stars in another list. And I have also edited and put actors who appeared in 10 or more episodes in recurring list. You are free to revert my edits as per consensus. Thank You. JayB91 (talk) 00:10, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

More problematic cast changes
in these edits though some aspects of your changes were helpful, like expanding character descriptions, you brought the section out of conformity with various Manual of Style guidelines, including WP:TVCAST. For starters, per MOS:BADHEAD, we don't use "pseudoheadings", i.e. headings like this:

We use proper L3 headings like this:

which are obviously formatted differently. Also, as has been a recurring irritant at Indian television articles, "Former cast" is not a valid subsection. We care about the entire history of a cast, not just the most current information. So we don't dump former cast members into discard piles. Per WP:TVCAST, we organise cast into either Main or Recurring casts, and organise further by chronological order per their introduction into the series. So someone who was introduced in 2016 would be listed higher than someone who was introduced in 2017. In your edits, a lot of the information about when cast members were added were removed without explanation. Additionally, we don't use ASCII arrows like "-->". We would typically use a dash.

If you want to restore your character summaries (provided that you wrote them yourself) you may do so, but please don't disrupt any of the existing formatting that is somewhat close to WP:TVCAST. Thank you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:40, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Re: these changes, again, the prevailing guidelines for TV cast exist at WP:TVCAST. I don't know how you are making the distinction between "Recurring cast" and "Main supporting cast", but this is not a distinction you are entitled to make. The community wants two subsections of cast: Main and Recurring. Main cast is typically (but not always) indicated in the opening credits. "Supporting" could mean anyone who appeared on the series. That's far too wide a net. We care about significant recurring cast. Thus, "Main" and "Recurring" are the primary subsections.


 * And to whomever is involved in the reorganisation, I don't know if that would be you or not, it's unclear what the distinction is between Guest stars and Special guest stars. Just seems to muddy the cast list. Typically we don't even include guest stars in TV cast lists. Those normally appear in episode lists. See The Simpsons (season 10) for an example. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:30, 30 November 2017 (UTC)


 * A recurring character is a fictional character, usually in a prime time TV series, who often and frequently appears from time to time during the series' run.[1] Recurring characters often play major roles in more than one episode, sometimes being the main focus. One of the best examples of such a character from Ishqbaaaz is the character of Tia Kapoor, who initially made episodic appearances and then, during the wedding drama, became the main focus of the track, post which her role was reduced to making special, irregular appearances in the course of the series whenever the storyline needed her. That's what we call or define as a Recurring character; not those characters like that of Tej and Svetlana who are almost regular in the series and are very important in shaping the current storyline of the show. Such characters are considered to be part of the supporting cast i.e. the actors in a play, film, or television show other than the main stars, who appear regularly in the series. Anyone who has appeared on the series are known as guest stars like the character of Mallika played by Surbhi Jyoti. Those characters who appear in the series from time to time are known as recurring characters like Tia, Soumya, Priyanka etc. Soumya may have once been a part of the main cast, but now, Soumya has been replaced by Bhavya as the main female lead opposite Rudra and Soumya's character is now a recurring character only. Again, those characters who appear in every other episode of the series are known as supporting characters like Tej, Jhanvi, Svetlana etc. This is how one makes the distinction between "Main Cast","Supporting cast", "Recurring cast" and "Guest stars". And nothing like "Special Guest stars" exist, considering a guest character is always special.

Recurring characters usually start out as guest stars in one episode but continue to show up in future episodes if the storylines or actors are compelling enough.[1] Sometimes a recurring character eventually becomes part of the main cast of characters; such a character is sometimes called a breakout character like the Character of Svetlana here. I think I may have now been able to clear the concepts to you and would like to tell you that every character can't be limited to or confined in the primary subsections of"Main" and "Recurring", as that would be too gross and unusefulfor the viewers. We, as editors, must maintain the viewers/ readers efficiency over anything else. With this, I am re-editing the cast and characters of "Ishqbaaaz", and if you still find it useless, you are very much welcome to undo the changes made. Thank you Abir susnigdha 13:10, i December 2017 (UTC).
 * Though I appreciate your explanation, it doesn't do much to improve my understanding, because I still don't see how you are differentiating "Main supporting" from "Recurring". A person who was a "Main supporting" cast member presumably had a recurring role. Thus, I'm forced to repeat my previous comment: The community prefers two subsections, Main and Recurring. Any cast member who is not part of the main cast, is technically a supporting cast member. The problem with this, is that the supporting cast includes people who made a single appearance in the series, which is not what we're interested in. Adding a "Main supporting" section seems like we're trying to split hairs, but 1) we're heading into interpretive territory, because we're making a value judgment about what actors are more significant (this would have to be sourced) and 2) It's not going to be clear to readers what the distinction is, particularly when the bulk of our articles don't micro-divide the cast this way. See List of Millennium characters or Frasier or The Golden Girls. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:36, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I had been very busy the past two days, but now after reading your comment, I would like to ask you a simple question, you are finding my adding a "Main supporting" section to the cast as trying to split hairs, but will you please make it clear to me, as per the current article of "Ishqbaaz", on what basis are you or the other editors differentiating between "Guest Stars" and "Special Guest Stars"; I didn't find anything such as "Special Guest Stars" despite thoroughly examining through the prevailing guidelines for TV cast those exist at WP:TVCAST. According to you, it's not going to be clear to readers what the distinction is between "Main supporting" and "Recurring" (which are terms that are clearly depicting a specified meaning and character ideology), but how in the world can any reader distinguish "guest stars" from something as gibberish or bushwa like "Special Guest Stars". Again, in the current article, substantially important characters like Ishana and Kamini, who were respectively one of the female leads and major vamp of the series for quite sometime, under the same cast listing of so-called "Guest Stars" as the roles played by Shaleen Malhotra or even a baby girl! Is this something the readers would find as perspicuous and efficacious stuff? Like What are you saying? Do you even watch the show? To me, all these merely looks like "Guest stars" are being used euphemistically for former cast, especially those recurring characters who were once very significant in the course of the series. This is something which is, in particular, illogical, unacceptable and potentially harmful for the readers' info. This is just bad policy/service and serious lack of knowledge of the show's storyline on the editor's part. So, I would like to clear this unorganised mess about cast details and character info by reediting this article, and also, your explanation would be appreciated, thank you.Abir susnigdha 20:11, 4 December 2017 (UTC).
 * I don't have an answer for what the difference is between Guest star and Special guest star in the article, because I didn't make those changes. I believe made them. If those people were in significant recurring roles, they should be moved to Recurring cast, organised chronologically by their introduction into the series just as WP:TVCAST wants us to do. One thing that is often missing from Indian television articles, is real-world context about cast and characters. If it makes sense to add prose for these people to describe that they were in mini-arcs or whatever, that would be fine to do, if you guys think it's noteworthy. I should mention that I know nothing about the series, but I am very familiar with Wikipedia's community preferences, and my job here is to maintain existing community guidelines. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:32, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Even if I try to make the format of the cast of Ishqbaaz efficacious, my changes are reverted back to square one, usually by . So, it would better for me to not get myself anymore involved in this, as I am not sure enough that even if I try to reedit the page as per the guidelines you conveyed to me, my edits are likely to be undone.Whatever I tried to do was solely to make the article better. Anyway, thank you for replying to my query, and giving me an explanation on your part, when you were not even bound to give me one.With regards, Abir susnigdha 18:47, 5 December 2017 (UTC).

I want to add Garv Indian TV awards to d award column of #Ishqbaaaz d most popular show in India.
Can we add one award i.e. Best debut in a leading role female into d awards column of #Ishqbaaaz. Surbhi Chandna have won this award. So i suggested an edit to awards won column of Ishqbaaaz d most popular Indian TV show. After this awards won by Ishqbaaaz will be 19 from 18. So plz edit this. Munnanit (talk) 18:01, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Cleanup of synopsis section not required

 * If you go through WP:TVPLOT in detail then it reads the following- "For main series articles, plot summaries of no more than 200 words per episode should ideally be presented in a table using Episode table and Episode list (such as State of Affairs). If appropriate, these articles could instead include a prose plot summary of no more than 500 words per season (such as Scouted) instead of an episode table, but an article should not have both an episode table and a prose summary."

In your template message regarding the requirement for cleanup of the synopsis section, you have written- "this section should not exceed 500 words, and should remain focused on the overall shape of the series". But, I am compelled to say that as an administrator you haven't correctly done your job, as in WP:TVPLOT, it is clearly written that if a main series article if doesn't possess an episode table, can have a prose plot summary of no more than 500 words per season only, and not for the entirety of the series. The show Ishqbaaz, as officially confirmed by the leading app, Hotstar, contains 7 seasons so far. so, for a prose summary, the synopsis should, in actual, contain 7 multiplied by 500 i.e. not more than 3500 words (which it doesn't), instead of merely 500 words. Also, the plot summary such a show like Ishqbaaz which has a great storyline full of twists and turns, can be forcibly limited to a mere 500 words, like you unfairly want. So, I would like to advise you that in the future, before displaying such a template message in the name of WP:TVPLOT you should better check the loopholes in it since you, as a person, can also be wrong at times. So, having said that, I am removing the cleanup template message from the aforementioned article, and also, your reply would be appreciated.Thank you Abir susnigdha 23:07, 10 December 2017 (UTC).
 * Though that is what the guideline says, I'm not certain that's what they actually want, since it seems to conflict with years of precedent editing, and their example of Scouted points to a 1 season, 8 episode reality show, which only has a 113 word summary, not thousands of words. That said, I've opened a discussion here because it would be beneficial to get input from members of WikiProject Television to see what their actual mindset was about that guideline. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:16, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

I want to remove the characters of omkara, gauri, rudra and bhavya from the main cast and place them in the recurring cast
Omkara and Gauri's love track has been totally sidelined since the wrap of Gauri's remarriage track shown way back in early November. Post that the main focus is only Shivika and the development of their love story or their day-to-day struggles to protect their family, sometimes from the Kapoor sisters or from domestic malice; with about 75% (or at times, more ) of the show's run time devoted to them. Omkara and Gauri even do not significantly appear in every other two episodes (disappointing Rikara fans). Thus, their roles have been reduced to supporting characters (just like Svetlana and Tia) who are important, only at times, to shape the storyline, where Shivaay and Anika can take the only prominent and strategically significant roles. As Svetlana, Tia etc. (who are very important in the current story line) are placed in the recurring cast, so it will be sensible and just to place omkara and gauri in the same, for the time being. Moving to Rudra and Bhavya, Bhavya hasn't even made an appearance in the show for a month now (excluding a cameo appearance of her with Saumya) and her track has been sidelined for quite a long time now, leading to my consideration of her not been anymore a main character at all. Rudra's character has also been reduced from a parallel lead with his own separate track to that of an Indian traditional devar (brother-in-law) faithful to hid brother and his wife (Shivaay and Anika). Recently, the makers roped in Nehalaxmi Iyer again to make the track more interesting but post that, neither Saumya nor Bhavya have gotten any remarkable screen space at all. I am personally very unsatisfied with all these, and as a way of expressing my grievances to the makers for not reviving the tracks of Omkara-Gauri and Rudra-Bhavya, I want to make the afore-mentioned changes to raise more questions and fan speculations regarding this matter. So my proposal is to shift the characters of Omkara, Gauri, Rudra and Bhavya to the recurring cast section and not moving them back to the main cast until and unless the makers taking the viewers' requests into account give importance and enough screen space to the above-mentioned characters in the series in a way like main characters should be given. Please express your opinions freely. Thank you Abir susnigdha 14:36, 29 December 2017 (UTC).
 * Wikipedia isn't a forum for fan protest. If the characters were initially credited as main/starring, then they should remain listed that way. Per WP:TVCAST, we are supposed to present the entire history of the notable cast, not just a snapshot of the most current lineup. If there is real-world information about the causes of the reduction of the characters' screen time that can be found in reliable sources, or if reliable sources have commented on the decline of screen time, it might be of academic value to add that. But again, we can't be writing from a fan perspective. See List of Millennium characters as an example of the goal. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 09:40, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Merge from Ishqbaaaz (soundtrack)
A discussion about merger of Ishqbaaaz (soundtrack) in this article has been initiated at Talk:Ishqbaaaz (soundtrack). If you have any concerns, opinions, or objections; then kindly comment there (on the merge proposal). — usernamekiran (talk)  16:53, 9 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose merge: I don't think that the Ishqbaaaz (soundtrack) need to be merge because It's need to be a single page. If you want to merge the soundtrack page then you have to also merge the cover art of soundtrack on Ishqbaaaz page. Siddiq Sazzad    (Chat) 
 * You say "It's need to be a single page" but you've not provided any clear explanation for why you think it needs to be a single page, other than that you created it. You didn't properly establish standalone notability, and you prematurely created the soundtrack article. And if/when the soundtrack is merged back, no, the image would need to be removed per our copyright policy. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:28, 20 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Ok, I agree to merge the page. Siddiq Sazzad    (Chat) 


 * When it will be merge - Sidon (Connect) 07:44, 22 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Support:- This topic does not deserve a single page. It should be merged.Tituni2005 (talk)


 * Support:- This progress must be a star soon - Siddiq Sazzad    (Chat)     14:46, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Cast ordering
There's apparently a dispute brewing about how characters should be ordered in the cast list. you should both be discussing this here. Since you're not, and maybe neither of you are as aware of established community guidelines, I will open the discussion. Per WP:TVCAST:
 * "The cast listing should be ordered according to the original broadcast credits, with new cast members being added to the end of the list. Articles should reflect the entire history of a series, and as such actors remain on the list even after their departure from the series. Please keep in mind that though "main" cast members are determined by the series producers (not by popularity, screen time, or episode count) and generally have a set order in the credits, recurring and guest stars will not necessarily be credited in the same order in each episode in which they appear, so their place in the list should be based on the order of credits in the first episode that they appear.

Simplified: a cast member who was introduced in 2016, would belong at the top of both the Main and Recurring lists. A cast member introduced in 2017, would belong underneath that. We would also organise by credit order, not by popularity or editors' perception of a cast member's importance. So this edit by Abir, would not be consistent with that guideline, as Vishavpreet Kaur, a character indicated as a 2016 entrant, is listed beneath Nikitin Dheer, a 2017 entrant. Similarly, this edit places Leenesh Mattoo, a 2016 entrant, beneath Shrenu Parikh, a 2017 entrant. These are not consistent with WP:TVCAST. Does it mean that maybe a new lead character should appears beneath someone who may be a lesser main character? Yes. It does, because we track the history of the series, not just the important people. So, it's very possible that we would have a list that goes like this:
 * Main cast
 * Lead Actress A (2016)
 * Lead Actor B (2016)
 * Supporting Actress C (2016)
 * Supporting Actor D (2016)
 * Lead Actress E (2017) - This person replaced Lead Actress A in the role of ___ after a salary dispute with producers. (← This is "real-world content". Encyclopedias are not just focused on narrative.)
 * Supporting Actor F (2017)

Does that makes sense? Too complicated? Any questions? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:34, 2 March 2018 (UTC)


 * You are correct. Accorided by WP:TVCAST, I listed all the members. Siddiqsazzad001    (Talk)     04:19, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

What about distinguish guest stars from recurring ones? Some characters (like Mallika of Ishqbaaz) who appear to me as to have made extended cameos/ guest roles are looked upon by others as recurring roles, and make tall claims of vandalism without even discussing first. Also I would like to inform you that Siddiquisazzad001 removed certain important characters like Mahi, citing them as duplicates of other character played by the same actor, also, the current ordering is not totally as per policy as you listed Viha Gori over Amrapali Gupta and others introduced much earlier. Still Siddiquisazzad001 claims to have totally followed the guidelines as mentioned by you and state others edits unconstructive and vandalism without any explanation for his feeling so. Looking forward to your reply. Thank you Abir susnigdha 09:57, 2 March 2018 (UTC).


 * Mallika is not an guest star, because she role at several episode, related with Shivaay as his ex-girlfriend. Mahi as Nakuul Mehta, who is already at Main cast section. But you had again created his character at Recurring cast section, that is against of the Wikipedia rules. If you merge the information of Mahi at Shivaay cast information, (because they are same character) then that would be fine for us. Ex. (In Judwaa 2, Varun Dhawan in a dual role as twins Raja and Prem Malhotra). Siddiqsazzad001    (Talk)     04:50, 2 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Shivaay and Mahi aren't the same character they are two completely different characters played by the same actor, so when you add character descriptions you have to part them and position them in the cast as per the role. Also you are including cameo appearances like that of Shaleen Malhotra in the recurring cast section, also if someone appears in an arc of episodes then as per WP:TVCAST, A cast member or character appearing in more than one episode, or in two or more consecutive episodes, does not necessarily mean that character has a "recurring" role. An actor or character may simply have a guest role across several episodes, rather than a recurring story arc throughout the show. But you don't understand the difference. Anyways I was not talking to you Do whatever you want. Abir susnigdha 10:39, 2 March 2018 (UTC).

In a television series, a guest star is an actor who appears in one or a few episodes (Little more). And I already told you that Mahi and Shivaay are same actor. That's why I had merged them. Now don't worry about Mahi. And I request you to read WP:MOS, MOS:TV and WP:TVCAST. Siddiqsazzad001   (Talk)     05:23, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Note: You can't insult a user for their revision, as you had done with me. You called me a futile person. I didn't take any action for this, as your first time. Please see this WP:PERSONAL, as I did WP:AVOIDYOU. Siddiqsazzad001   (Talk)     05:35, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Article Styles
Hi ,

Your edit on Ishqbaaaz was good faith but not per MOS:TV. We don't divide the cast and characters section. If we divided into two section, then it look like a guidebook. Note that this the television article page, this not an article of List of Ishqbaaaz characters. We have to follow the rules of MOS:TV. Please do not edit hugely without knowledge of Wikipedia. Soon this article would be nomintation for GA. So please be careful. Siddiqsazzad001  (TALK)    17:00, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Article quality drift
I'm worried about the overall changes that were made in these edits. removed a great deal of descriptive content from the cast section without discussion or explanation, and while some of the content may have been problematic for one reason or another, there's no indication that editor Sheena was aware of WP:TVCAST our guidelines on cast sections, or what our goal is, like the cast list seen at List of Millennium characters. The user also removed maintenance templates without resolving the issues. Further, summary content that described various changes to the storyline once existed in the lead, but was thoughtlessly jammed into a section on casting, which obviously has nothing to do with casting. The casting section only has one sentence that describes anything about casting.

In addition to that, the entire plot section was removed by in favor of a single sentence. While having a insurmountable wall of information is not always ideal, we are an encyclopedia, and we are supposed to provide some detailed explanation of the general shape of the series, not remove it all in favor of a relatively useless logline. The net result of all of these changes is a complete lack of information about characters and overall story. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:06, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


 * The problem which you are indicating is the same thing that I tried to explain when a group of editors removed all information in Kusum Dola article, blabbering things as unsourced and you also supported them. I just followed the path shown by you all, since if it is applicable to one television article, it is also applicable on other series. It's not like I can help, for every single line I write some specific people tag them as unsourced and without explaining, give me block threats! So I withdrew myself from editing as much as possible, due to lack of cooperation and unprofessional behaviour on others' part. But, at last, I would like to tell you one thing, if certain people would mould mos tv's rules as per their own mindset, (they even believe that not watching the tv series, but a reference tagged is the only reliable source for any info on a subject, which nowhere exists in wikipedia's guidelines) then net result you ill get is definitely "a complete lack of information about characters and overall story". But, since you find that appropriate and support them as well, let it be! Thanks, Torterra Ketchum 5999 (talk) 21:46, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Overlapping cast lists for S1 and S2
these changes to the cast list were fairly significant, and you probably should have sought consensus before making them, since they are not consistent with most television articles on Wikipedia, at least not the quality ones. Per WP:TVCAST, we organise cast per the cast member's introduction into the series, with new members being added to the bottom of the Main and Recurring lists. There's no provision for drafting brand new cast lists for each season, and in this case, we wind up with lots of duplicate content if we do that. Sometimes there might be a benefit to creating a cast table to supplement an existing cast list, like what you might find at List of Millennium characters, but that would have to be discussed first. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:51, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2018
Atleast add ZainImam and Mandana Karimi in the cast. 106.204.173.208 (talk) 12:27, 7 September 2018 (UTC) 106.204.173.208 (talk) 12:27, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NiciVampireHeart 09:11, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.204.0.123 (talk) 16:20, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Request For Soundtrack/ Cast/ Cast Section/ New Season
Ishqbaaaz has two new songs in the soundtrack after redux: - O Jaana (Redux Version Male) sung by Bhaven Dhanak time: 6:01 - O Jaana (Redux Version Female) sung by Pamela Jain time: 5:59

sources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjsGqRtQIFU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcF8zMAP6p0

For Cast Changes: Anika is spelled "Annika" with 2 n's on the show. Where-ever it says Anika replace with Annika. Annika after marriage with Shivaay is Annika Shivaay Singh Oberoi (née Vardhan Trivedi). Gauri after marriage with Omkara is Gauri Omkara Singh Oberoi (née Vardhan Trivedi)/ Gauri Kumari Sharma (adoptive name before marriage) Bhavya after marriage with Rudra is Bhavya Rudra Singh Oberoi (née Pratap Rathore).

Also would like to request a new Wikipedia page or section for Ishqbaaaz Season 2 (Ishqbaaaz - Pyaar Ki Ek Dhinchaak Kahaani) so that the cast doesn't overlap with the current section like the redux cast does.

In the season two cast list:

Nakuul Mehta is playing Shivaansh Singh Oberoi (Shivaay + Annika's Son)

Manjiri Pupla is playing ACP Additi Vijay Deshmukh (Shivaansh's Love Interest)

Thank You From A Fan Of Ishqbaaaz! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.53.7.254 (talk) 22:32, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Cast issues
How Nakuul Mehta become Anika's son? Few days ago, he was her husband. Siddiqsazzad001      14:55, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Nakuul was portraying Shivaay. Shivaay and Annika die after living happily with their kids (Shivaansh and Shivani (although I don't know who will be portraying Shivani yet..)) for a few years. So Nakuul is now playing the grownup son of both Annika and Shivaay (who are both dead write now) rest of cast of Orignal IB/Redux IB has been let go except Daadi and Naani (who are now portraying great grandmothers (parnaani + pardaadi) to Shivaansh. In Indian shows sometimes they retain either the original male lead or original female lead to play the son/daughter of the lead couple when they are dead. And start a new story with a new lead for the son/daughter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:56A:7828:AA00:BC8B:BD6E:6A77:E7B3 (talk) 19:59, 20 December 2018 (UTC)


 * These TV Shows are trouble for Wikipedia including Plot and Cast. Siddiqsazzad001       05:13, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

To change the starring
Being the viewer of the show for the starting, I feel the Wikipedia page should have listed the protagonists correctly. The show has been moving around Nakuul Mehta and Surbhi Chandna. You may add Manjiri Pupala as an addition. But the show introduction should have Anika's name in it, as a protagonist character. Moreover, the obros, (Kunal Jaisingh and Leenesh Mattoo) Titlisparks (talk) 14:27, 24 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Any reliable source about Manjiri Pupala? Siddiqsazzad001       15:16, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2018
Ishqbaaaz is a story of three brothers and centre of attraction of the story was shivaay Singh oberoi and annika trivedi love story. Kritikakk (talk) 15:17, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 15:27, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2018
Information given regarding the show as well as the cast is not only incomplete but is factually wrong. Would like to add the correct information and hence asking for editing right. Suchismita Ghosh (talk) 15:17, 24 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It is not possible for individual users to be granted permission to edit a semi-protected article. You can do one of the following:
 * You will be able to edit this article without restriction four days after account registration if you make at least 10 constructive edits to other articles.
 * You can request the article be unprotected at this page. To do this, you need to provide a valid rationale that refutes the original reason for protection.
 * You can provide a specific request to edit the article in "change X to Y" format on this talk page and an editor who is not blocked from editing the article will determine if the requested edit is appropriate.


 * Thanks, &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 15:28, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Season1 and Season 2 confusion
Since the show Ishqbaaaz have took a leap on 17th December 2018, it is considered as a new season. Hence it doesn't look well by having the names of the leap's cast under the same name 'ishqbaaaz'. Also the show isn't a single cast show or a male Centric one. The current Wikipedia page has only the male lead's name in the Starring column. The leap was named as ishqbaaz-Pyaar ki ek dhinchak khaani(Season2) which might be a male centric show unlike ishqbaaaz(season1) where male and the female lead had equal roles. It is better to have a separate page for season 1 and Season2. Mritikha (talk) 17:44, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Slashes
Hi there, re: this, the introduction of slashes to indicate different characters is actually not as clear as you might think. A reader who is unfamiliar with the series, or unaware that Indian television often has people playing multiple roles isn't necessarily going to understand that these are different characters. In some cases it's totally ambiguous if we're looking at nicknames or if the different names are because the person got married, etc. For instance Shivaay Singh Oberoi aka "SSO" / "Billu" (2016–2018) -- I have no idea if that's two characters, SSO and Billu or one: Shivaay, who is sometimes called SSO and Billu. Anyway, per WP:SLASH, slashes are discouraged. Clear prose like "in a double role as" is always a better approach, and if there is still confusion, a cast list can also be organised by character names, which may be more useful in these shows where everybody plays a dozen people.

Another thing for interested editors to keep in mind, is that cast sections aren't supposed to be skeletal, silent lists. Erring on the side of explanation and including real-world context is always helpful. For example, if a cast member Amit Doe has two characters listed, Sanjay and David, we can explain why that is:
 * "The character of Sanjay was killed off in the second season, but after a drop in ratings, producers brought back actor Amit Doe as David, a reincarnation of Sanjay."

This sort of thing is actually strongly encouraged per our Manual of Style for Television, a document all TV article editors should familiarise themselves with. More information and better communication is always better than skeletal, succinct bullet points. See List of Millennium characters as an example of what we're striving for. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:01, 30 December 2018 (UTC) Edited to change a name. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:13, 30 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree with you. Siddiqsazzad001       18:09, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Cast Change Request
In the first season of Ishqbaaaz Nakuul did play a double role but only for a brief period of time. It was the role of Shivaay's lookalike Mahi in 2017. Please change "Nakuul Mehta in a double role as Shivaay Singh Oberoi - Anika's husband and Shivaansh's father" to "Nakuul Mehta as Shivaay Singh Oberoi(2016-18), Annika's Husband & Shivaansh's Father/ Mahi (2017), Lookalike of Shivaay". He does not play a "double role as Shivaay."

Also make these changes as they are referred as these names in the show: Anika spelling is Annika Please change: "Surbhi Chandna as Annika Singh Oberoi (née Vardhan Trivedi)" to "Surbhi Chandna as Annika Shivaay Singh Oberoi (née Vardhan Trivedi)" AND "Shrenu Parikh as Gauri Singh Oberoi (née Vardhan Trivedi) aka Gauri Kumari Sharma" to "Shrenu Parikh as Gauri Omkara Singh Oberoi (née Vardhan Trivedi)/ Gauri Kumari Sharma (adoptive name)" AND "Mansi Srivastava as ACP Bhavya Singh Oberoi (née Pratap Rathore)" to "Mansi Srivastava as ACP Bhavya Rudra Singh Oberoi (née Pratap Rathore)" AND "Manjiri Pupala (2018 - present) as ACP Aditi Deshmukh" to "Manjiri Pupala as ACP Additi Vijay Deshmukh" you can remove (2018-present), because she is under the cast section with the header 2018-present under main cast header.

Thank You!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:56a:7828:aa00:68f8:6347:4a19:9925 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2019
98.11.170.208 (talk) 22:32, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 22:38, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2019
Shrenu's name should be ahead of leenash name106.204.153.65 (talk) 14:39, 4 January 2019 (UTC) 106.204.153.65 (talk) 14:39, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: What section are you talking about? The cast section? And what is the justification for this change? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:17, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

I want to change main section. Nakuul Mehta as Shivaay Singh Oberoi, Anika's husband and Shivaansh's father Surbhi Chandna [10] as Annika Trivedi Kunal Jaisingh as Omkara Singh Oberoi Leenesh Mattoo as Rudra Singh Oberoi Shrenu Parikh (2017–2018) as Gauri Kumari Sharma Mansi Srivastava (2017–2018) as ACP Bhavya Rathore

to

Nakuul Mehta as Shivaay Singh Oberoi, Anika's husband and Shivaansh's father Surbhi Chandna [10] as Annika Trivedi Kunal Jaisingh as Omkara Singh Oberoi Shrenu Parikh (2017–2018) as Gauri Kumari Sharma Leenesh Mattoo as Rudra Singh Oberoi Mansi Srivastava (2017–2018) as ACP Bhavya Rathore — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.204.86.9 (talk) 17:58, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I understand that you want to reorder the cast by moving Shrenu Parikh's name in front of Leenesh Mattoo's name. As I previous asked: why? What is the logical justification for this change? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:06, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Bcoz, shrenu is the 2nd main female lead and her name should come after kunal, because she is kunal's heroine not of leenash.106.204.249.220 (talk) 10:57, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2019
Shairain kanduja is playing the role of radhika not ragini, change her name into Radhika. 106.204.235.31 (talk) 04:28, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 09:33, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2019
Change Sharain Khanduja as Raagini Singh Oberoi, Omkara and Gauri's daughter into Sharain Khanduja as Radhika Singh Oberoi, Omkara and Gauri's daughter 106.204.106.112 (talk) 13:41, 21 January 2019 (UTC) 106.204.106.112 (talk) 13:41, 21 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: provide a reliable source if appropriate.  Siddiqsazzad001   '''  14:23, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The user did format their request as X to Y. Are you asking them for a reference? Isn't the series sufficient as a reference for characters per WP:PRIMARY? Or are you taking the position that their request is not legitimate? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:30, 21 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Opps! Template issues. Siddiqsazzad001   '''  03:58, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2019
summary 117.234.217.140 (talk) 15:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. aboideautalk 15:57, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2019
117.234.86.106 (talk) 16:44, 20 February 2019 (UTC) cast changes name
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. <b style="font-family:verdana;color:#701684">aboideau</b><sup style="color:#474647">talk 16:52, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Anonymous editor, use complete sentences to communicate, or stop wasting editors' time. And if you refactor another user's comment as you did here, I will block your IP. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2019
Anthonykrrishdesilva (talk) 13:08, 4 March 2019 (UTC) Raju Singh Composer
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 14:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2019
Dear Sir/madam can we change the logo as this is against the law, we should include the previous actress was involved 694 episodes this is deceiving. MA12311 (talk) 21:00, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Can you please be more specific about which issues you are referring? It's unclear what you mean about the logo being against the law, and it's unclear what change you are proposing about the "previous actress". Please add more detail. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:20, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Picture change
Nakuul Mehta and Surbhi Chandna,being the leads of this show Ishqbaaaz,Made the show successful for 2.7 years. So They should be included in the Wikipedia picture rather than the current one. Mritikha (talk) 12:57, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Request by Hagridtonks
Sir, the present hotstar promotional montage as displayed by star India credits the actors involved for 700 episodes. Kindly change the image in accordance to that. Hagridtonks (talk) 16:12, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't understand the rationale for the change. The purpose of an image is to identify the series, not to promote it. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:44, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Change the Picture
Nakuul Mehta and Surbhi Chandna Started this show as mean leads and has done 694 Episodes and Even after Leap Story there scenes were added.There Picture should be there instead of Shivaansh-Mannat. Himanshigoyal1711 (talk) 14:32, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Kindly Check Ishqbaaaz Montage From Hotstar
Hotstar's Official Montage does not match with the wiki's Picture of Ishqbaaaz.Kindly put the Real Montage of the Ishqbaaaz series. Himanshigoyal1711 (talk) 15:13, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It's unclear what change you are suggesting be made, primarily because I'm unclear what "official montage" you are talking about or why you think Wikipedia has to "match" it. Also is this just a duplicate request of the one you left less than an hour ago above? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:28, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2019
Please Change the Poster of Ishqbaaaz to the correct one having Nakuul Mehta and Surbhi Chandna,the real leads of the show in it. MridhulaSuresh (talk) 17:48, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: If you want to upload new non-free content you'll have to do so here (remembering to resize the image first so that it is less than 250 × 400 pixels) and then reopen this request. – Þjarkur (talk) 18:10, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2019
change the poster MridhulaSuresh (talk) 14:29, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't submit duplicate requests. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:20, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

channel and producer
The Channel which conducted the show itself renamed it and Start it with a new season.I think You don't have the Full information about the series.Ishqbaaz-Pyaar ki ek dhinchak Khaani was Started as 2nd Season by the Channel and producer,the producer herself mentioned it as a Second Season in her interview and I think that is enough Valid to Change or remove the Ishqbaaz-Pyaar Ki ek dhinchak khaani section.More importantly that Season could run only for 64 episodes in which niti did not even complete 50 episodes.Makers themselves weren't conformed for the Female lead then how can you add her in main and that whole Dhinchak plot belongs to second season so it shouldn't be added with the Main show. Himanshigoyal1711 (talk) 09:02, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Let me be very clear about something. We make changes by achieving WP:CONSENSUS. You don't get to unilaterally decide what should be changed, particularly when you have no consensus to make these massive changes, and when you apparently know very little about editing television articles. Secondly, as I have explained to you both in detail, just because a television series releases another season doesn't mean we delete content from the MAIN ARTICLE and stuff it in some secondary season article. The article titled Ishqbaaaz is about the entire series, not just about season one. That is the normal shape for television articles. That's why I pointed you to SpongeBob SquarePants, which is not just about the first season of that famous cartoon. If you are arguing that Ishqbaaz-Pyaar ki ek dhinchak Khaani is a totally different television series, that is an entirely different matter that neither you nor MridhulaSuresh (assuming you are two different people) have said. It is not unusual for television shows to re-title other seasons. That doesn't necessarily mean that we need to create separate articles for those different titles. So the fact that you two are deleting content about Season 2 from this article is absolutely disruptive. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:22, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Changing the content
I have changed the montage and the main cast according to the show. I didn't change anything that is unrelated. The picture that is used as the montage was given with its source and the only cast who deserve to be in main cast should be mentioned there. I haven't changed without any talk, someone else is keep on changing what I have changed which is totally unrelated. The producer herself said the leap part as a second season and thus it's part can't be included here. Will report the Wikipedia official if something is changed again MridhulaSuresh (talk) 07:35, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and "report the Wikipedia official". You'll probably wind up being admonished for disruptive editing. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:26, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Have contacted Wikipedia,still I don't get the point in changing the correct poster of the page even though giving sources. The change you have made in the morning is an incorrect one(poster) and I can even provide you with the sources of the correct poster of the page. But still my changes are reverted by you. If my Change is inappropriate so as yours. MridhulaSuresh (talk) 14:36, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * First of all, I didn't make any changes except to revert problematic content that you and your partner Himanshigoyal1711 made, which I detailed in section above. You restored the problematic content, so I wouldn't get high and mighty about righteousness here, since the crap you added back needs to be fixed. Secondly, there is no rule at Wikipedia that says we have to show a poster at all, so how do you figure that there is an "official" poster that must be shown? Wikipedia doesn't work for Hotstar. This is the problem when you have virtually no experience editing television articles, yet you have some emotional attachment to rules you have invented yourself. Are you suggesting that the people in File:Ishqbaaz.webp are not in the television series Ishqbaaaz? Where in our Manual of Style for TV articles does it say "use a poster featuring Nakuul Mehta and Surbhi Chandna,the real leads of the show"? A television series can spawn multiple seasons. We are not required to only show people from the first season. The point of the image is to identify the article subject. If a more recent image better helps readers identify the article subject, then that is a perfectly reasonable change to make. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:04, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Agreed! In that case there is no need to reverting my changes back which is incorrect though.I agree to your point that 'we are not required to show people from only first season' But the changes you revert back shows only the people from second season. If the page is there for identifying only the subject of the article,then it would be good if it has correct one. Though am not a Wikipedia person, at least I know to show the necessary and the correct content for an article or the page. MridhulaSuresh (talk) 15:17, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, there is no "correct" one, and it is entirely reasonable to only have people from the second season in the image. This is the part that you're not getting. We are not required to show all of the people who made the series well known. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Why so? Why is it reasonable to have only people from second season? And why not people from the first season? MridhulaSuresh (talk) 15:25, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Because there's no rule that you must show people from the first season. The point of the image is to identify the series. If the people from the first season are no longer on the show, there's no real justification to use their images. People might look at the image and think, "those aren't the people on the show." Remember, we're not even required to use images with people. We could use the logo by itself, since the logo is what identifies the series. Anyway, I don't care which image is used, but asserting that one image "must" be used over another is absolutely wrong. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:30, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Season 1 and Season 2 cast
I have separated the season 1 main cast and Season 2 main cast according to their year of introduction. This won't lead to any confusion and hope it doesn't get changed MridhulaSuresh (talk) 14:19, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * This change is not consistent with WP:TVCAST. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:20, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Frequent changes
As far the Wikipedia guidelines is concerned, I didn't see any such rule that season 1 main cast and Season 2 main cast can't be seperated.Moreover I have included the cast (both season 1 and 2) based on their year of introduction. Added to that,The way the plot ended wasn't clear,and so I have added that too. Taking all these into consideration, I have been threatened by an user for these changes which I do explained in the Wikipedia discussion and thereby facing frequent editing the same page. MridhulaSuresh (talk) 18:05, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Notice
In these 27 edits the two of you (assuming you are two different people) have created a number of problems. Additionally, per WP:TVCAST, we organise cast members by their introduction into the series, with new additions being added to the bottom of the list. Jamming people randomly into the middle of the recurring cast list doesn't help at all. People who were introduced in 2016 do not belong below people who were introduced in 2017. Stick to community guidelines, please, as any deviation will be considered disruptive unless you've otherwise achieved a local consensus through discussion. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:27, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * MridhulaSuresh: In these edits you added unhelpful parameters to the infobox. channel is unnecessary since we're already using network. first_run is not relevant to this series, as it was produced in and aired in India. released is irrelevant here because this is not a direct-to-streaming series. Familiarise yourself with Template:Infobox television instructions, please. You also deleted content without explanations and left behind useless empty bullet points.
 * MridhulaSuresh: After your changes were reverted by, you silently resubmitted these same changes again without discussion or explanation. You can't do this. If you are reverted, the burden is yours to open a discussion on the article's talk page.
 * Himanshigoyal1711: In these edits you removed a giant block of information (plot summary) without providing an edit summary. This is indistinguishable from vandalism. You also removed people from the starring parameter of the infobox without providing an explanation, and you appear to have difficulty writing names, erroneously lumping them together like "MansiSrivastav" instead of Mansi Srivastav and KaranKhanna instead of Karan Khanna. You've also erroneously capitalised "wife", "friend" and "fiance", none of which are proper nouns. An ability to navigate basic English is required at the English Wikipedia. You've also left behind empty bullet points again, which just clutter the various sections.
 * Niti Taylor shouldn't be included in the main cast. People who were there more than her are being included in recurring cast.

She was present in the series Less than 50days. It's better to change her name in the recurring cast. MridhulaSuresh (talk) 04:28, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Who cares how long a person was in the series? How were they credited in the series? Nobody is interested in anybody's personal interpretations of which actor was more important than another actor. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:41, 17 April 2019 (UTC)


 * We removed the Dhinchak Ishqbaaz's members and Plot From It because that is Season2 Of Ishqbaaaz.The producer Gul Khan herself Said Dhinchak Ishqbaaz is S2.So If You want then Make another Page for Dhinchak Ishqbaaz. Himanshigoyal1711 (talk) 05:14, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The removal of the plot content is unjustified since we do not, by default, create new articles for every season. There is a process to article creation. Only when an article subject warrants a fork article would we create one. Here is the usual process:
 * Main article - This is a general article about a notable TV show like Ishqbaaaz. It typically contains information about the cast, production, critical response, ratings, and a list of episodes. See SpongeBob Squarepants - Once this article grows to a certain point, we might branch off into sub-articles, like below:
 * List of episodes - If the episode list in the main article has grown sufficiently we may move this content to a unique List of episodes article. Usually we require 2 seasons of data, ex: episode titles, summaries, air dates, writer/director info, references, etc. See List of SpongeBob SquarePants episodes.
 * List of characters - Again, if the character list/cast list in the main article has grown sufficiently and contains too much information about characters, we might create a unique character list article. Note that just names and roles is typically not enough to warrant the creation of this article. We want character descriptions along with real-world information about casting, cast replacements, etc. See List of Millennium characters
 * Individual season article - If and only if the List of episodes article becomes so full of data, including episode list with summaries, real-world information about ratings, and critical reception, awards, etc. then we might create an individual season article. See SpongeBob SquarePants (season 1). The detail at this SpongeBob article could not reasonably fit into the List of episodes article with all the other seasons. At best, any information about a second season of Ishqbaaaz should be included here.
 * Misc. - As needed, we might create other articles, like an Awards page if a TV series has received a ton of notable awards, etc.
 * Since the Ishqbaaaz article is a general article about the series, there is no current justification for a second season article, since a unique article about the first season has not been created. Since neither of you have sufficient experience editing television articles, I don't advise deleting content and I also advise that you both familiarise yourself with MOS:TV, which lays out our community expectations for television articles. Any deviations need to be discussed. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:41, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

https://twitter.com/StarPlus/status/1066260063977902080?s=19

Here is the link when the producer herself confirmed it is a season2 and moreover they changed the name of show in season2.From Ishqbaaaz to Ishqbaaz-Pyaar ki ek dhinchak khaani.So,nowhere it is connected to the Season1 according to the channel and Producer.so why you are providing wrong information on wiki. Himanshigoyal1711 (talk) 10:10, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for not reading anything that I posted above. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:28, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It's more like they are stick to their own opinions only no matter whether it's worthy or not, even right or wrong. Lol.In easy words I should call their edits Birds of Same feather flock together (not to Anyone in offence). was told in TeaHouse to wait until another editor takes off from the topic and same I asked him to do. As per WP:TVCAST I will edit it for no further stretching of this all.Manupriy Ahluwalia (talk) 18:43, 2 May 2019 (UTC)