Talk:Islam in Germany

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Some stuff
According to Wikipedia a possible German built a large cannon for the turks at the conquest of condtinople if Germans were in contact since then then technically Islam could have come there through trade and travel before so could you check if you can site this theory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.154.219.156 (talk) 07:27, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

NPOV
I have added the NPOV tag, because I think the part contriversies lack neutrality. The single events, which are discribed are ok, but they do not show the real problem because main elements of the problems of migration are missing. The sentence: "Since Islam is not a traditional religion in Germany and since most problems with migration into Germany focus on this religious point is wrong. There are enormous problems with migration, but the core of these problems is not islam but the origin of the Turkish migrants. These people come from the most rural and most underdeveloped regions of Turkey. Many of them are not willing to be part of the German society. They would face the same problems if they would live in one of Turkey´s modern towns like Istambul or Ankara. I think it is extremely unfair name a religion, which preserved the writings of the greek philosophers, as the main reason of the inability  of these migrants to be part of a modern society. The lack of interrest to send their children to school is not the fault of their religion but their tradition. The constant efforts of the Turkish and Saudi Arabian governments to gain political influence on these migrants is no problem of Islam as a religion too. On the other side, the German society is not discribed right. The secular society fights any religion, which could endanger the total freedom. In bavaria someone sued the state, because his son was forced to see a symbol of a bloodthirsty cult about the death of a fanatic (a cross). Even more this society fears a group, which is not willing to be part of the society. To reduce these complex problems to the single question of Germany and Islam lacks an objective neutral point of view. The point of view is to much focused on religion to be neutral. --Thw1309 22:51, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree this sentence is dubious, so I've reworded it accordingly. I think the NPOV tag is now no longer needed.--Roentgenium111 (talk) 21:53, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Religion in schools
While Religion can be a subject in German public schools it is not a regular one. It can be taken voluntarily but no students will suffer disadvantages if he or she decides not to. Thus, I added electiv to clearify this point. However, in most schools only protestant or catholic beliefs are beeing taught (I think the state of Berlin is an example to this but I am not sure). Therefore it can be argued that the German government does privelege these believes. -- Thb 12:44, 23 July 2007 (CET)

Muslim residence in Nazi Germany
I think the comment that Hitler maintained hostility towards Islam is slightly inaccurate. He more so opposed those groups unwilling to become subordinate. I remember that there were a few hundred Bosnian Muslim troops in Berlin fighting at the end of the European war.
 * The nazis, and Hitler in particular, considered muslims to allies. See also: Mohammad Amin al-Husayni.
 * The British appointed mohammad amin al-husayni. Yes the Nazis did try to provoke rebellion in the British colonial empire to divert forces. It didn't work seeing that at most 20,000 fought with the axis and uprising in the colonial world where crushed by the muslims themselves.  What you don't say is that 1 million muslims fought against the nazis on the western front and 3 million fought against the nazis on the eastern front in which a lot of muslim POWS where executed ASAP due to being accused of being jewish since they both commit circumcisions.  Mohammad Amin al-Husayni is a joke of not relevant importance to this conflict or any other outside of the creation of propaganda, General Choomin (talk) 21:08, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Hitler was very sad that Karl Martell won at Poitiers and not the supporters of Mohammeds ideology. Because he thought the ancient German would had adopted mohammedanism, in which belief heroism is rewarded. The ancient German would have conquered the world. Just because of christianity the ancient German were prevented to do so.

»Hätte bei Poitiers nicht Karl Martell gesiegt, so hätten wir den Mohammedanismus übernommen, die Lehre der  Belohnung  des  Heldentums. Die Germanen hätten die Welt damit erobert. Nur durch das Christentum sind wir davon abgehalten worden.« Adolf Hitler

Schwarzer, Alice: Gotteskrieger und falsche Toleranz, 2002, S. 102

Every battalion has an imam. The imams are the ideological schooling leader of the Bosnians and Albanians.

»Bei jedem  Bataillon  ist  ein  Imam. Die Imame  sind für die Bosniaken und Albaner meine weltanschaulichen Schulungsleiter.« Heinrich Himmler

Schwarzer, Alice: Gotteskrieger und falsche Toleranz, 2002, S. 102 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.57.247.23 (talk) 20:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

New research on islam
New research about Muslims in Germany [] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pakhomovru (talk • contribs) 12:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Mosque image
Based on neutral third opinionTalk:Islam in the United Kingdom, I intend on using the oldest mosque in Germany here Asifkhanj (talk) 23:15, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Not a functional mosque.Peaceworld111 (talk) 12:20, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Also, is there a reason 3 mosques are pictured? There is already List of mosques in Germany Asifkhanj (talk) 23:29, 10 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Where is your proof that it is non functional? Also this article is not about where a Muslims should go to pray in a mosque - The building and structure still stands. This image fits better within the context of the article. Get Third opinion rather than trying to put your stuff back in after a few days. Asifkhanj (talk) 08:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * here's german wiki evidence:1and outside wiki 2. And no, it doesn't fit within the context if you read about its history.Peaceworld111 (talk) 12:27, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I did look at the German wiki page beforehand. I looked at the link you provided. I don't see it saying that the mosque is non-functional. Asifkhanj (talk) 15:01, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 2 states - The earliest mosque-style building in Germany is the "Red Mosque" at Schwetzingen, built in 1779-1791 by a French architct for the Prince Elector of the Palatinate as part of a palace complex. Built at a time when the "Turkish" style was fashionable in Germany, it was never intended for prayer but later served religious purposes at various times....The oldest real mosque in Germany was built in Berlin in 1923-25 by the Ahmadiyya Anjuman, an Islamic reform movement that originated from India. It is still in use [Unlike the Schwetzingen mosque].
 * 1.Here's a English translation from the German wiki-The building did not have the function of an Islamic house of worship...Although the building of mosques typical elements are missing, but at times it was actually used for Islamic worship. I think the above quotes are self-explanatory.Peaceworld111 (talk) 19:21, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * resolved issue?Peaceworld111 (talk) 18:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Inconsistency
The article regarding Islam in Germany has quotes from Hitler and lowly clerics like Haj Amin al-Husseini, both of these controversial have little or nothing to do with the diverse Muslim community in Germany and the richness of the culture in that country.182.182.107.182 (talk) 19:18, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

First mosque?
The first image on this page is labeled "The Red Mosque at Schwetzingen Castle, Germany's oldest mosque constructed between 1779-1791". But at Schwetzingen Palace, it's clear that the building has never actually served as a mosque: it's an architectural imitation, and while it has "served religious purposes at various times", I don't think it can truly be called a mosque. The reference associated with that claim calls the Berlin Mosque the "oldest real mosque in Germany", a claim which is repeated at List of mosques in Germany. However, the Halbmondlager had what was apparently the first German mosque, constructed in 1915. It happens to have been demolished not longer after the Berlin Mosque. So I think it's most accurate to call the Berlin Mosque the oldest standing mosque in Germany and the Halbmondlager's the first true mosque in Germany. The Schwetzingen "mosque" is best referred to as a sort of footnote; it's rightfully omitted from the list of mosques. Does this sound right? --BDD (talk) 20:50, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I've made edits to this article and List of mosques in Germany accordingly. --BDD (talk) 15:53, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Islamic organizations
According to Wikipedia, there's 225 k Twelvers in Germany, yet this article lists none of their organizations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.220.72.109 (talk) 01:16, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Can someone who lives in Germany confirm/refute this report?
According to this story https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2206253/refugee-camp-translator-german-migrants-despise-christians-islamise-country/ Muslim refugees in Germany despise Christians and want to destroy Germany from the inside, by having their women breed like rabbits and eventually outnumbering Christians. Can someone who actually lives in Germany confirm whether this is true? I was going to include it in this article, but I wanted to check first to see if it's B.S. If it's not true, let me know and I won't include it. I would hate to think it's true, because reports like this are so apocalyptic. Surely not all Muslim migrants in Germany feel this way. I personally know dozens of Muslim migrants in my country and they are all peaceful, loving people. Isn't the same true in Germany? LeQui (talk) 01:29, 18 November 2016 (UTC)


 * As a native German, living in Munich, my comment: It is possible that an anonym women has said that to an unknown interpreter. (A German source with the same statements: http://www.ead.de/nachrichten/nachrichten/einzelansicht/article/deutschland-fluechtlingsheime-was-christen-alles-erleben.html) Maybe she was not the only one who made such utterances. However the article does neither claim nor prove that this is a general or majority conviction of refugees in Germany. I would rate it an atypical and extreme position amongst migrants. If at all, it could be address in the refugee lemma. A very recent and large survey among 2300 refugees found that most of them share German values: http://www.heute.de/grosse-studie-fluechtlinge-teilen-die-meisten-deutschen-werte-wie-demokratie-und-gleichberechtigung-45911362.html

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Shaking hands
Muslims refuse shaking hands with opposite sex. Xx236 (talk) 11:18, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * https://justillon.de/2018/03/polizist-darf-kollegin-den-handschlag-nicht-verweigern/
 * https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3658503/Female-teacher-investigated-German-police-Muslim-pupil-s-parent-refused-shake-hands-reported-harassment.html
 * WP:DAILYMAIL1 doesn't count as WP:RS, but Deutsche Welle has also written about this. https://www.dw.com/de/handschlag-konflikt-auch-an-berliner-schule/a-19349214 AadaamS (talk) 19:00, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * http://www.spiegel.de/karriere/deutschland-polizist-darf-kuenftig-keinen-handschlag-mehr-verweigern-a-1198458.html Xx236 (talk) 07:12, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

I believe this page is particularly salient in current times with this being a main issue. Does anyone have any opinions on what the German government should do to quell the conflict? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dylanshayne (talk • contribs) 20:44, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Lead section
I have tagged the lead section because it does not comply with MOS:LEAD. It is not a concise overview of the article's topic and a summary of its most important contents, including any prominent controversies. Most of the content of the present lead should be moved to the Demographics section. JimRenge (talk) 23:04, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Collage at the end of the article of prominent "Muslims"
It seems to me this is more a selection of people with MENA ancestry living in Germany that just assumes they're all Muslim. Several of these people certainly don't seem particularly religious and some are of mixed background. Their respective wiki articles also made no mention of them identifying as Muslim. I suggest the pictures are replaced by confirmed Muslims and not just people of MENA ancestry.

177.225.152.22 (talk) 23:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)