Talk:Islam in Hungary

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 * A hoax link: http://www.factbook.net/muslim_pop.php
 * Look at this: http://www.factbook.net and compare to this: http://www.investeast.ro/

I am extremely sad that you keep a descussion on a thing like this. --peyerk 07:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

peyek please refrain from editing that article or i will contact the administrator, i wont tollerate any islamophobia here.West Bank Boy 11:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * WBB, please refrain from threats. You had better answer the question about the hoax you keep linking here as a "source".
 * --peyerk 15:01, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

there is a source that there are 6% of muslims in hungary and i live in hungary and im a muslim so dont get smart with me please!!, what ur doing is hoax, but dont worry im not gonna tell administrator this time, but if u do it again i swear im gonna tell the administrator and im not kidding, cheers,West Bank Boy 15:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

innen megírom majd, ha nem felejtem el: http://www.terebess.hu/keletkultinfo/keletivallas.html – Alensha    talk  20:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Islam in Hungary
Two distinct Islamic communities have existed in Hungary. The first lived there between 1526 and 1699, as a result of the Ottoman conquest and occupation of many Hungarian territories. It disappeared, however, immediately after the reconquista, when those Moslems who did not flee with the retreating armies were either massacred or forced to convert to Christianity. A new Islamic community was created, beginning in 1878, by the immigration of a substantial number of Moslems from Bosnia-Herzogovina (occupied at the time by Austria-Hungary), as well as an influx of Ottoman Turkish craftsmen, traders, and students. Over time, however, these groups shrank as their members were assimilated into the general population. Today in Hungary there is no organized Islamic community, though a few hundred -- perhaps a few thousand -- individuals adhere to the faith: Arabs, Turks, Pakistanis, Iranians, and other immigrants, plus a handful of local converts.

--Latinitas 12:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Muslim population
This article had been going between 6,000 and 60,000 for quite a long time now. I brought a source for 60,000. If anybody has a source for 6,000, please add it and mention there's a debate on the topic. Especially in former Soviet countries it is very difficult to ascertain how much of the population follows a specific religion since the "ethnically" religious population does not correspond, usually, to the "practicing" religious population. Misheu 13:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Looking at this entry for the first time, I think what is oddly missing now is more information about the current-day Muslim population. There is the census number and nothing else. Whereas there is a significant number of (relatively new) Muslim immigrants in Hungary now, especially in Budapest, which, as many of them are illegal immigrants, would not show up in any census.

If there was, as I understand, a reference to there being an estimated 60,000 Muslims in Hungary today from MSNBC, which is one of America's main news media, then that would definitely be useful additional info to put back in. As in: "According to the 2002 census, there are 3,201 Muslims in Hungary, but alternative estimations of the Muslim population range up to 60,000 [add link to MSNBC]." No-itsme 22:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

You might wanna look at this, pretty strange and mysterious, but anyway i strongly believe the muslim population is between 60,000 or 606,000 but many hungarians in hungary said that there are over 1,000,000 million of them make up 10% of the population of hungary.West Bank Boy 10:01, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

SIX percent of all Hungarians are suppossed to be muslim?
Isn't this number maybe a bit high?

no it's isnt afterall there large numbers of Hungarian muslims around 4000- 6000 thousand of them but rest can you image??? Immigrants?? the numbers are greater including those who are not hungarian citizens. best regard.West Bank Boy 05:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC) What makes: "West Bank Boy" the authority on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.50.7 (talk) 17:46, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Looks completely unreliable. SIX percent would mean something like 550 THOUSAND people, which is clearly not the case. The numbers is more like around 6000 to 10,000. Which is far-far less than a TENTH of a percent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.182.40.89 (talk) 16:44, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hoax
Dear co-editors, could you please look a bit further then your nose? :) Look at the "reference" and see what kind of page it is. Don't make wikipedia a victim of this hoax. Please!

--peyerk 07:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

peyerk, u are the one who is doing all the hoax this article, this is very anti-islam, if u claim that there is only 3,000 muslims in hungary then it's not much point to have this article,West Bank Boy 15:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

It's impossible that 6% of Hungarians are Muslims. I'd be very surprised if there were more than 10,000 of them. However, 3201 is too small a number, I'm sure there are more Muslims than 3201. (Note that the census data is not reliable when it comes to religion since the question about religious affiliation was among those which weren't compulsory to answer.) – Alensha   talk  13:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

excuse me, that's not on, there's a source that says there 6% of muslims in hungary, so dont plz revert to 3,201 only, both source has to be put 606,000 and 3,201.West Bank Boy 11:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

As I'm writing this, the text says that "according to the world muslim population statistic," the number is 6%. But an unsourced list of population numbers on a website about Romanian real estate (!) can hardly be called "the world muslim population statistic." There is no reason to accord an unsourced list of numbers on a website that has nothing to do with the subject any such authority or reliability. So this wording is misleading, I'll change it now. No-itsme 14:34, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I had replaced WBB's wording of the article's opening para that said,
 * According to the 2002 official Hungarian census, there are 3,201 Muslims living in Hungary,[1] making up 0.03% of the population, but according to the world muslim population statistic, there are 606,361 making up 6% of the population.[2]
 * With this alternative wording:
 * According to the 2002 official Hungarian census, there are 3,201 Muslims living in Hungary,[1] making up 0.03% of the population. According to one alternative source, there are 606,361 Muslims making up 6% of the population.[2]
 * I see that Peyerk has now deleted that second sentence altogether, reverting the text to how it was before WBB's latest edit. I actually agree with Peyerk that the source claiming the 6% number lacks authority and reliability. However, the two of you, WBB and Peyerk, are now stuck in a revert war.
 * A way out to me seems to mention the alternative source, while making clear it is merely that - an alternative source. Far as I'm concerned you rephrase it even more critically, eg "According to an 'analysis of the world muslim population by country' hosted on a Romanian property market website, however, there are 606,361 Muslims making up 6% of the population." That should contextualise the claim properly.. Something like that might work as a preliminary solution, to avoid the situation where people just keep reverting each others edits ad infinitum. No-itsme 14:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Very nice of you seeking a compromise. But it is merely unacceptable because the "alternative source" as you call is simply not a "source". Not in any sense.
 * You cannot call any line of letters a "source". In this case, this is simply a hoax. It is as bright as the Sun.
 * Anyway, if you look at the data given by the hoax page you can see that it is simply a population estimate for Hungary (10,106,017) and a percentage (6%) multiplied mechanically. And if you look at all the data list, you can see that the majority of the "data" is of that kind.
 * I don't want to discuss it any more, I hope Wikipedia is not a place to use such a stupid hoax as a "source".
 * --peyerk 20:52, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

The "Early History" section.
In the "Early History" section, we can read about Carloman, and certain edicts concerning "Ishmaelites", and especially their place within Hungary during the 12th - 14th centuries CE. I would suggest that the words, Islam or Muhammedan, were not in use during this period of history. I would suggest, as does the very article concerning the "Early History" uses only the term "Ishmaelites", and not "Islamists" or any other words concerning Muhammed, etc. It seems only some scholarly concensus? has converted "Ishmaelite" into "Islamist?" Please consider Wikipeida's own site concerning "Ishmael?" See; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael Note, that "scholarship" does not seem to agree about the connection of the Son(s) of Ishmael with that of the Islamists whom, it seems, merely have adopted the relationship with the descendants of Ishmael! I would also suggest that you refer to this Wikipeidia site for more information? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6sz%C3%B6rm%C3%A9ny Respectfully,69.92.23.64 (talk) 17:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)Ronald L. Hughes

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