Talk:Islam in Malaysia

Christianity

 * The spread of Christianity is a particular sore point for the Muslim majority, and as such, the Government (despite being of a plural composition, but the Malay component, UMNO, always has the final say) typically drags its feet when it comes to approving Churches, and often they will disapprove the setting up of Churches outright. In some cases, they have even resorted to demolishing churches in Muslim-majority areas, and setting up mosques in Muslim-minority areas.

Is this based on fact or simply an allegation? Especially the italicized parts. This article reads more like criticism of Islam in Malaysia rather than an unbiased presentation of Islam in Malaysia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.25.134.2 (talk • contribs) 04:22, 26 September 2007


 * Doubt that it's fact. Selangor has more temple per capita compared to mosque. Some of the information were also taken from anti Malaysian Government sites such as the ones that stated "More than 30 temples were demolished" when the temple caretaker was already paid compensation and was told to move as the temple was on private land.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.139.161.191 (talk) 00:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Edits
I edited the language and readability, plus added some facts althouth it is still up to many more furnishment for higher encyclopedic standard. Ongengwai 06:39, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

So why is preaching Christianity to Malays not tolerated? Shouldn't all individuals have open access to learn which faith they wish to investigate further, rather than being tied in my constitutional and familia constraints??? Retcon

View points should not be included into an article attempted to be encyclopedic, regardless if you agree or disagree with the coming of facts. Ongengwai 02:34, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Culture section
While Malaysian culture is not my area of expertise, could someone more knowledgeable possibly add to or edit the cultural impact section so that fully half of it is not comprised of information solely on women's dress? --Liquesce 20:31, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Failed Good Article Status
This article was rejected for good article status because it is poorly written. Sentences in the first paragraph epitomize the choppy nature of the sentence structure and much of information presented in the article relates to Islam in general rather than Islam in Malaysia. joturner 01:43, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

MyKad
Please see my comments in the talk for MyKad. Specifically, is it true detailed religion info is included? I was under the impression this was planned, possibly even before MyKad but was abandoned and instead it is simply printed if you are a Muslim (I guess it's on the chip as well). If I'm correct, non-muslim is not printed but it's a given since it's an either/or. Nil Einne 18:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Apostasy from Islam in Malaysia
The first paragraph
 * In recent years this topic has started to create a debate within Malay society and politics. The most documented case was that of the Sky Kingdom which was seen as the litmus test for religious freedom.

Can anyone actually get a quote for the above? I would hardly call it a litmus test. While I personally believe Sky Kingdom should have been left alone, they appeared to be harmless enough even if extremely bizzarre. However the way cults & sects are treated in many countries is often different from the treatment of religions considered more normal probably even more so in countries with uneasy religious issues. If anything, the Muslims converting to Christianty issue would be a far better litmus test IMHO.

Also for the later info on converts
 * Original source of this information in Malay [1]

The soruce is the Harakah (PAS paper). As such I would say it's info should be treated with care and at least a warning given... Nil Einne 19:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

- There is nothing the merits the deletion of this chapter. It is valid info and should remain. The Sky kingdom quote wull be added.

Issues missing
There are some issues missing or not covered in sufficient depth IMHO such as:
 * Malay bible
 * Preaching to a Muslim
 * Marriages between a Muslim male and a non-Muslim female and the corresponding effects on divorce
 * Islamic education (Pendidikan Islam) in schools
 * Orang Asli? (I'm not sure if this should be mentioned or not, the fact that Orang Asli in the Peninsular are not considered Bumiputra surely has something to do with the fact that they're not Muslim though?)

And probably numerous other things I forgot. The short-lived ban of the Iban bible should also be mentioend (it's already mentioned in the Iban article). Some of these may best be covered in other articles but better links provided. Nil Einne 19:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Bumiputra 'conversion

 * However the reverse is not legally true; one does not legally become a Bumiputra by converting to Islam

While this is true, it is explained later that evidently you can become a Bumiputra (or specifically a Malay) if you live like like a Malay (which includes coversion of course) so I think we need to clarify the introduction Nil Einne 19:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Bumiputra includes natives of Sabah and Sarawak, indigenous peoples and Malays. So that is a wrong statement.

As regards one "becoming a Malay", there is no case law that has settled this issue. Unfortunately, I don't remember the book where I read it from.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.25.134.2 (talk • contribs) 04:22, 26 September 2007


 * I would disagree on your first point. While you're correct various non Malay native people of Sabah and Sarawak are also Bumiputera, that's largely irrelevant. Since a Malay is generally consider by definition a Bumiputera, if you can become Malay, you can become Bumiputera unless there's such a thing as a non Bumiputera Malay which I'm pretty sure is even less accepted then the idea of becoming a Malay. The fact that you can't become a non Malay Bumiputera may be considered somewhat unfair, but it doesn't negate the point I was making i.e. that you can probably can become a Bumiputera, by conversion to Islam (if necessary) and a bunch of other things so that you become a Malay and therefore a Bumiputera. Note that I made clear in my original comment I mean specifically a Malay which you can become. The question of being a Bumiputera is relevant here because the issue which started this is that for a Malay, conversion away from Islam means they are no longer recognised as Malays and therefore as Bumiputeras And the article mentioned at the time, that conversion to Islam doesn't make on a Bumiputera. Which may be true but ignores the fact that conversion to Islam combined with whatever else is considered necessary can probably make one a Malay and therefore Bumiputera. Nil Einne (talk) 20:09, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Copy edit performed
I rewrote the introduction and rearranged some of the material so the sections would cover specific topics. It seems like some sections need to be filled out, for example, the History section. I think the structure of the article needs to be clearer. I put Apostasy under Islam forms because I could not see another place to put it and it could not be a top header on its own.

I found and removed several broken links.

The whole article need good references. See the following Wikipedia policies:

KarenAnn 17:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Verifiability
 * Reliable sources
 * Citing sources

Maybe put about public holiday related to islam like Hari Raya Aidil Fitri, Hari Raya Haji, Awal Muharam, Mulidur Rasul and Nuzul Quran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.54.124.28 (talk) 08:07, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Manhaj Islam Hadhari
There is an IP intent on blanking this section on the basis that this version of Islam is now discouraged by the current prime minister. I have reverted their blanking and requested page protection. However, I have to say the section is quite lacking and POV. Also, if this sect is currently discouraged/ not practiced, the article should say so. ʝungle jill  23:32, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well the section has been removed by someone else. I have withdrawn my request for protection. ʝungle  jill  00:04, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That was me. As I explained on your talk page, it was entirely unsourced and therefore had WP:BLP issues. If sources are added for the first paragraph and the quotes, it can go back in if desired. -- Neil N   talk to me  00:09, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Removed sentence
I removed the sentence "Many Malay parents also fit tudungs onto their babies to get them used to it as early as possible." in the picture box of the girls wearing the headcovering. There is no reference given for this statement so it seems to be merely an assumption. Please add a reference before putting it back in.Meaniem (talk) 23:10, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

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