Talk:Islamic funeral

A note
Let the template be at the top for standardization. --Striver 18:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Prolonged grief
I heard from a Muslim friend that a prolonged grief is to be avoided and you're expected to stay calm as not to distress the soul of a dead person. Where can this be found in credible Islamic texts? --211.24.155.43 16:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Check this page: Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23. --Doc sameer 03:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Women at the burial
What happend if women attend at the burial? ChristianB 23:52, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

This topic needs to be revisited. Some argue that it's not forbidden for women to attend the funeral procession. Someone needs to display this argument as well.

Refer to the following:



Imam Malik and some Hanafi scholars, and, according to one report from Ahmad, most of the scholars hold it permissible for women to visit graves. This is based on the following hadith from 'Aishah, "What should I say to them, O Messenger of Allah when visiting graves?" As mentioned above Abdallah ibn Abi Mulaikah is also reported to have said, "Once 'Aishah returned after visiting the graveyard. I asked, 'O Mother of the Believers, where have you been?' She said: 'I went out to visit the grave of my brother Abd ar-Rahman.' I asked her: 'Didn't the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, prohibit visiting graves?' She said, 'Yes, he did forbid visiting graves during the early days, but later on he ordered us to visit them'." This is reported by Al-Hakim and Al-Baihaqi, who also remarked that this hadith was narrated only by Bistam bin Muslim al-Basri. Adh-Dhahabi said that it is a sound hadith.

The purpose of visiting graves is to remember the Hereafter, which is something that both men and women need. Men are by no means more in need of this reminder than women. Some scholars disliked it for women to visit graves as they are less patient and too emotional. The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "May Allah curse the women who are frequent visitors of the graves." (Reported by Ahmad, Ibn Majah, and Tirmidhi, who said that it is a sound hadith) Al-Qurtubi said: "The curse mentioned in this hadith applies only to those women who visit graves frequently. The reason for this curse lies perhaps in the fact that it involves infringement of the rights of the husband, and leads to adornment and exhibition of their beauty to strangers, and shouting, yelling, and other similar things." It may be said that, "If no such harm is feared from women visiting graves, then there is no valid reason for preventing them from visiting graves, for indeed remembrance of death is something that both men and women equally need." Commenting on Al-Qurtubi's view, Ash-Shawkani said, "This statement may form the basis for reconciling apparently contradictory hadith." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.83.181.113 (talk) 00:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Copyright violation?
Some of the wording in this article is extremely similar to the web page "Islamic Rituals at Death", http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=732. That page is dated February 11, 2000, and carries the notice, "Copyright (c) 1999-2007 Understanding Islam, All rights reserved." Thus I suspect that some of the text of this article might be a copyright violation. I'm not taking any action right now, apart from raising this issue. --Jdlh | Talk 01:02, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Tomb Stone
According to a Hadith the tomb stones should be not raised up, Not sure how to add so adding it here for experts to add.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 23:55, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your suggestion. Al-Misri describes the tomb marker as offensive unless the deceased is a wali or scholar, in which case the grave may be marked for visitors. I find this curious. -Aquib (talk) 01:18, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Burial: Placement of Head and Body
Common Islamic Burial Rituals section notes that, Positioning the deceased so that the head is faced towards Mecca which is in fact do not match with what I know and see as practiced around me. The grave is made horizontal to Qiblah so that when the body is placed in grave, Qiblah is in the right side of the dead. The face is sided to rightward so it faces towards Qiblah. I am searching for direct citation now and make change accordingly. Or if someone else can find one, then it would be good to correct it. -- নাফী ম. সাধ  nafSadh talk 04:27, 17 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Reliance of the Traveler, al-Misri, has detailed instructions and an illustration showing the body on its right side on page 238. The inclusion of other Islamic customs and practices would be very helpful to the article. -Aquib (talk) 16:05, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Timing
I came to see on this page information about the timing of the burial in Islamic tradition. I mean, should it be fast or are there some certain rites that are done before the actual burial. This does not come out from the article. --LPU0302 (talk) 13:54, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * (answering assuming it is not a forum question) General practice is that "burial should be done as soon as possible". I don't have enough cite source now; if you or someone else can provide hadith or other sources on this regard then a small paragraph or a sentence can be added in the article. Please, note that, verifiability of information presented is important. -- নাফী ম. সাধ  nafSadh talk 14:59, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Al-Misri Reliance (223-237) says haste is recommended; a short delay for family members is permitted. There is no standard waiting period, and burial is performed as soon after death as is practical. -Aquib (talk) 15:53, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Does Burial have to be in the ground?
What about burying the body under water? I haven't seen anything in regard to whether this practice is acceptable. -- (198.151.13.8 (talk) 16:31, 2 May 2011 (UTC))


 * I added a link to the burial at sea page. Stardude82 (talk) 20:04, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Found sources, and wrote it up Homo Logica (talk) 01:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Burial at Sea
Burial at Sea— section needs more work. Information represented here do not cite enough reliable source. Hadith or Qur'an sources or at least citation of notable Islamic scholars is necessary.

al-islam.org is not a reliable source. Quotation of Dr. Christian van Gorder, (associate professor of religion at Baylor University) is not very relevant; moreover it is cited from a page that discusses Osama bin Laden sea-burial conspiracy. This (Dr Gorder's) quotation is like a Opinion, and do not reflect Islamic norm.

I assume peer review from an expert is needed, and some edit tags shall have to be added in the section. -- নাফী ম. সাধ  nafSadh talk 12:18, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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The Arabic language link from left side for this article is different.
it redirects Ghusul in there it describes steps to do an Islamic funeral. so maybe you should let Arab writers know about that and fix both the link in here and the article in Arabic too. sorry I'm new to wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SirwanV (talk • contribs) 21:45, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

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24 hours
I'm removing the claim about burials being mandated within 24 hours. It's been up for far too long and, of course, has no real source backing it up. There is no Islamic scripture that says a Muslim must be or should be buried with 24 hours. Matter of fact, 24 hours isn't even a unit of time in Islamic theology. It's actually quite amazing how much this Wikipedia article has probably played a role in spreading this disinformation, especially in news reporting. A new day starts at sunset in both Islam and Judaism. Jewish theology says a person should be buried before sunset and shouldn't be exposed overnight. Sunni Islam and, from what I can tell, none of the sects of Shia Islam have any laws equivalent to that.

If you have theological sources from any sect or historical school that says the dead must be buried within X amount of time, then you might include that detail specifying that Islamic denomination rather than lumping in everyone with a generalized statement. It seems the article has some cultural traditions, that aren't even universal across all regions and communities, that's being passed off as Islamic tradition. It even claimed that mourning for the dead is four days, when actually it's three days, at least in Sunni Islam. DA1 (talk) 08:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)