Talk:Islands of the Clyde/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Pyrotec (talk) 22:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I will review. Pyrotec (talk) 22:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Initial comments
There is much good material in this article, it is well referenced and well illustrated, but unfortunately the prose needs quite a lot of work done on it. I would hope that the article makes GA-status this time round, but if not it will fail on "prose".

I will now go through the article section by section, but leaving the WP:Lead until last. Most of my comments will concern prose, (sorry to say this) I think the lead is particularly bad but I'd rather get the main body of the article sorted out first. Pyrotec (talk) 15:38, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Geology and geography -
 * ✅ Pyrotec (talk) 19:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC) - The first paragraph has internal consistency and is concerned mainly with the Highland fault boundary and igneous rocks. In contrast, the second paragraph has no consistency: the first half is about an igneous rock "Ailsite" and the second is about glaciation. I, therefore, suggest that the first two sentences be moved into the first paragraph and the remainder moved into the final paragraph, with which it has more in common. It would also be helpful to state where Ailsa Craig is (roughly south of the Isle of Arran, since it does not appear on the Firth of Clyde map).
 * ✅ Pyrotec (talk) 19:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC) - The final paragraph has consistency. I suggest an initial minor change: "The Firth of Clyde, in which these island lie, is north of the Irish Sea ...." to clarify why The Firth of Clyde is being discussed.
 * ✅ Pyrotec (talk) 19:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC) - Both the current third and fourth paragraph contain statements that suffer from WP:Vagueness, i.e "...which result in a machair landscape in places..." and "... and various lighthouses act as an aid to navigation". I suggest that a few examples are given/named.


 * History -
 * Prehistory -
 * ✅ Pyrotec (talk) 19:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC) - It would be helpful to wikilink Clyde cairn. I assume it is the Chambered cairn rather the cairn that is being discussed?
 * Linked - there is a possible link to the rather lamentable Court cairn, which I found hiding under the Irish name.
 * ✅ Pyrotec (talk) 19:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC) - This is an interesting topic, but it is all about the Firth of Clyde (and perhaps unkindly it looks as if it might be a copy and paste from another article). The comment "Few of the 100 or so examples have been given a radiocarbon dating but a chambered cairn at Monamore on Arran has been dated to 3160 BC" is the only link of this topic to the Islands of the Clyde. Is Monamore the only one on the islands (this should be clarified)?
 * They are abundant on the islands! - wording amended.
 * ✅ Pyrotec (talk) 19:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC) - Similar comments apply to the Bronze Age "...left megaliths at various sites.." and an example of a jet bracklet on Bute is given (presumably Bronze Age but not a megalith).
 * Hopefully clearer now.


 * Viking influence -
 * ✅ Pyrotec (talk) 19:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC) - The following sentence "The Outer Hebrides remained under the control of Godred V of the Isle of Man while the Inner Hebrides south of Ardnamurchan and the islands of the Clyde became part of the Kingdom of the Hebrides controlled by Somerled and this began a process whereby the islands of the Clyde became Scottish in language and culture rather than Norse" has two many "AND"s and (sorry about that) should be broken into more readable sentences.
 * Done.

...to be continued. Pyrotec (talk) 16:51, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for this. Will take some remedial action asap. Ben   Mac  Dui  17:36, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * First pass - will continue. Ben   Mac  Dui  09:26, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Modern Scotland -
 * "From the mid thirteenth century to the present day all of the islands of the Clyde have remained part of modern Scotland." makes sense in a way, i.e. I understand it, but it could do with a rework.
 * I think the above are all attempted but I will bow out for now to avoid edit conflicts. Ben   Mac  Dui
 * I'm sorry if I interfere with your corrective actions. I saw one edit conflict, so I stopped my edit. I was reviewing the article, and it was easier to do minor fixes than to list them as "faults". Pyrotec (talk) 19:49, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * WP:lead -
 * You've fixed it already, no further comments from me are needed!

Overall summary
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria


 * 1) Is it reasonably well written?
 * A. Prose quality:
 * B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
 * 1) Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
 * A. References to sources:
 * B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
 * C. No original research:
 * 1) Is it broad in its coverage?
 * A. Major aspects:
 * B. Focused:
 * 1) Is it neutral?
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * Pass or Fail:

In the light of recent changes, I'm awarding this article GA status.

I would note, that whilst "Doon the Water" tourism and Clyde Puffers, such as the "Vital Spark", are mentioned to me it strange there is no mention of Cal Mac and its precessors David McBrain and the Caledonian SteamShip Company. Nevertheless, I'm giving it a GA. Pyrotec (talk) 20:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)