Talk:Israel Boy and Girl Scouts Federation/Archive 1

English name
I checked out the National Scout Organisations, and the name of this organization in English is Israel Boy and Girl Scouts Federation. I think we should change it to that name. --evrik 22:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, put the tranliterated name in the parenthesis. Somebody add the move proprosal Removed the Hebrew script request. NYC2TLV 04:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC) I remove my agreement with this idea after seeing that every other scout group on Wikipedia goes by their transliterated names. NYC2TLV 04:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This definitely needs to be changed to the Israel Scouts Federation!! --Gilabrand 11:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Here, look at their official website - nobody uses that long-winded Hebrew name this page goes by. The English says "Israeli Scouts" while the Hebrew is "Tnuat Hatzofim Haivriim Beyisrael," which translates as the Israeli Hebrew Scout Movement. Nothing about guiding or girl scouts or girl guides: http://www.zofim.org.il/about_tnua_english.asp
 * Apart from the name problem, the article itself is not sourced at all - so I have just as much right to add to it as you do, and mainly I corrected the English. If you want this page to be readable, then please restore my changes. If you prefer gibberish, leave it as is. And by the way, I wrote about this name change in June (see above) and no one responded. --Gilabrand 20:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This is not the webpage of the federation and does not mention it at all. If you are not able to diferenciate between organizations you should not edit on Wikipedia. --jergen 20:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I've named it "Israel Boy and Girl Scouts Federation" as this is the English title used by the International Scouting Organisation. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  20:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Confusion
I fear this article confuses the Hebrew Scouts Movement in Israel with the encompassing organization Israel Boy and Girl Scouts Federation. For instance I very much doubt the Federation (as opposed to the Hebrew Scouts Movement) upholds "Jewish values" given that several of its member groups are explicitly not Jewish. I also suspect the structure described is that of the subgroup given that the Catholic Scout organization's webpages describe a different structure. However I think someone who reads Hebrew would be needed to confirm or refute this. --Erp (talk) 06:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

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Scout Promise
There's no mention in the article of the Israeli Scout Promise, which I'm told is unique; in that omits any mention of God. And also on that subject, can anyone tell me whether atheists are allowed to join the Israel Boy and Girl Scouts Federation? Obscurasky (talk) 14:35, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


 * First the Scout Promise probably varies from member organization to member organization within the Federation. The Hebrew Scouts Movement Promise seems to have no mention of God.  I suspect the Catholic Scout Association in Israel probably does, but, I have not found what it is.  Second scouts join one of the member organizations not the federation directly; given the promise the Hebrew Scouts Movement probably does allow non-theists.  --Erp (talk) 00:28, 25 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Scout Promise. ---— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk 02:33, 25 December 2009 (UTC)


 * But is that the Scout Promise of all Israeli scouts or of the largest organization, the Hebrew Scouts Movement? I note for instance that it is in Hebrew while I strongly suspect the other groups use Arabic as their  usual language (I note the Catholic Scout web site has Arabic (http://csaii.org/ar/ now someone who reads Arabic might be able to confirm what the Catholic Scout promise is).  The same also seems to hold for the Orthodox Scouts. --Erp (talk) 17:10, 25 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Following up, the Israeli Catholic Scout promise seems to be at http://csaii.org/page.php?id=1561 now and google translate has something like "I swear by my honor that: Do my duty to God and my nation and my country. And help people in all circumstances. And to obey Scout law and work with it." However google translate is only rough (but note 'God' does seem to be in this one and it is different from the Hebrew Scout version).   --Erp (talk) 01:29, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Amos Ilani
I note that though Amos Ilani was International Commissioner of the federation for 10 years, he doesn't seem to be so any longer. http://www.jewishscoutsforum.org/the-nahshon-fellowship/nachshon-fellows/ Does anyone know the current info? --Erp (talk) 18:41, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Amos Ilani is now the Chief Commissioner of the Federation. Amos Simon is the International Commissioner for WOSM and for now there is no IC for WAGGGS.--דור פוזנר (talk) 13:49, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Reorg
I checked through the http://www.zofim.org.il/ site (with some help with google translate) and removed some information that was specific to the Hebrew Scouts Movement and added the specific goals of the Federation ot this article. However I also note that the site does not list the Arab School Scouts Association among the participating groups. Does anyone have any more info? It would also be good to have a picture of a joint exercise among two or more groups in the federation. --Erp (talk) 18:36, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The Arab School Scouts were not active for the last 10-15 years, but came back to be active this days... that's why they are not listed in the website. something related to the changes of the Israeli government and the Education Minister... --דור פוזנר (talk) 13:51, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

History of Scouting
I'm trying to hunt down info on the early history of scouting/guiding within Israel outside the Hebrew Scouts Movement (which seems fairly well covered). I found some evidence that the first Arab scout troops were started in the 1920s while under the British mandate in the government run schools (Government and Society in Rural Palestine, 1920-1948, By Ylana Miller, 2014) but became nationalistic. --Erp (talk) 21:12, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You can find some more information in the Hebrew Wikipedia page. The History section there has much more details about it. There are some books in Hebrew about the early years of Scouting in Israel and specially about the Druze Scouts in Israel, but I couldn't find anything in English. --דור פוזנר (talk) 13:54, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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