Talk:Israel in the Eurovision Song Contest

How can it participate?
Why Israel is in the contest? It´s not in Europe. 88.114.42.128 (talk) 13:16, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Israel is part of the European broadcasting area which stretches on Europe, North Africa, the Middle East and the Caucasus. The EBU is European not in the geographical sense, but in respect of this random international convention of broadcasting areas. For many years Israel was the only non-European country which took part in the contest regularly (if we consider Turkey and Cyprus to be within Europe). Then again, Morocco tried its luck in 1980 and decided to quit for good. Today many countries in the Caucasus which recently joined the EBU take part in the contest. Lebanon also wanted to join it, but withdrew due to political reason: it refused to broadcast the Israeli song, a thing which is a violation of the rules. DrorK (talk) 18:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Is Mira Awad the first Palestinian or first Arab-Israeli?
According to Mira Awad's page, she was born in the Israeli village of Rameh, as far away as possible from the Palestinian authority. Neither of her parents have a Palestinian citizenship - her father is an Israeli Arab from the Galilee(Israel) and her mom is Bulgarian. Mira currently lives in Tel Aviv, Israel, and she has never resided in the Palestinian authority.

So, what makes her a Palestinian? imaizlin (talk) 19:41, 05 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll have to look some stuff up. It has nothing to do with a passport; it's all about her ethnicity. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 12:54, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Many Israeli Arabs define themselves as Palestinians. That's quite reasonable considering that Arab people from this whole region share the same cultural heritage. She is Israeli by citizenship and Palestinian by cultural/national/ethnic affiliation. DrorK (talk) 15:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for the clarification! But, considering the fact that not all Israeli Arabs consider themselves Palestinian, can either of you give me a reference to a source in which she claims a Palestinian nationality/ethnicity? Thank you.imaizlin (talk) 23:51, 06 March 2009 (UTC)
 * From Haaretz (an interview with Noa and Mira Awad): "The situation is very depressing and very complex now, and we understand that it might seem to some people a bit cynical...sending a Jewish singer alongside a Palestinian singer," Awad said.
 * It is very unlikely that by saying "Palestinian singer" Awad refers to Noa :-) so I suppose she means she herself is the Palestinian singer. DrorK (talk) 10:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well put! :) Thank you for the clarification and I withdraw my question. imaizlin (talk) 22:45, 08 March 2009 (UTC)

Israel's worst result
The article has Israel's worst result as "24th place in 1993". However, they have failed to qualify from the semi-finals on 2 occasions. With that in mind, wouldn't the fact Israel (or any other nation) who fails to qualify be classified as a worst result, compared to where they finished in a final? After all, failing to qualify from a semi-final is worse than finishing last in a grand final. 80.192.226.205 (talk) 03:01, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

German students' radio broadcast
To whom it may concern:

Would you please be so kind to add a link to the radio broadcast on the history of Israel at the European Song Contest to your excellent article? It was aired at the radio station of the University of Frankfurt am Main named "Campus Radio Dauerwelle"(2013/2014).

Title: Reise durch die Geschichte der israelischen Beiträge zum "Eurovision Song Contest" radio station: Campus Radio Dauerwelle Homepage: http://dauerwelle.uni-frankfurt.de/ air date: Mo, 05.05.2014 time: 20:00 Uhr as a start-up to Yom Ha-Azmaut and at the archive host: Beckel, Dirk producer: Moskovits, David

Dear Fans of the "Eurovision Song Contest". This is a direct link to the radio show at "Campus Radio Dauerwelle". It is the current version from 2014.

Link:

http://dauerwelle.uni-frankfurt.de/eine-reise-durch-die-israelischen-beitraege-zum-eurovision-song-contest/

Have Fun!

Dear Fans of Israel and the "Eurovision Song Contest",

this year we produced a new broadcast on the history of Israel's participation at the "Grand Prix de la Chanson" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.173.122.193 (talk) 15:31, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

title: Reise durch die Geschichte der israelischen Beiträge zum "Eurovision Song Contest" radio station: Campus Radio Dauerwelle Homepage: http://dauerwelle.uni-frankfurt.de/ date of original broadcast: 21.04.2015 speaker: Beckel, Dirk producers: Moskovits, Francis/ Moskovits, David

This is the direct link:

http://dauerwelle.uni-frankfurt.de/eine-reise-durch-die-israelischen-beitraege-zum-eurovision-song-contest/

Have Fun,

Francis und David

Israel is not leaving the Eurovision song contest
After Ofer Nachshon announcement at ESC 2017 many are believe to think that Israel announce its withdrawal from the contest forever. This is just misinterpretation of the things. The public-national channel (Channel 1 and IBA) is shouting down. I mean: just shut down after broadcasting tonight event. However its setting to be replace by KAN who will join as EBU member till next year contest. So Israel is not leaving! Although some foreigner news sites are covering it differently (as big as Mirror in UK. This is just misunderstanding.
 * Sokuya (talk) 00:07, 14 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Sadly, you are incorrect here. As it currently stands, IPBC and KAN are not EBU members. They hope to be in time of the next contest. But as the Eurovision Song Contest 2018 section verifies, Israel is currently a non-member. So it is temporary withdrawal. Naturally, subject to change depending on the membership outcome.  Wes Wolf Talk 00:11, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * "IPBC and KAN are not EBU members" yet. I just want to confirm that Israel isn't planning on leaving Eurovision, regardless correct legal condition with IPBC with EBU. Sokuya (talk) 00:17, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * indeed, they are not members "yet". So the status quo as it stands is they are not eligible to participate, as they have no stations which have EBU membership - a requisite to participate. The EBU have already confirmed that neither IPBC or KAN have a news programme, which prevents them gaining EBU membership. Should that change, and the EBU do grant membership, then this article will reflect that update. But Wikipedia does not like WP:CRYSTAL speculation. We have to write down the facts as they currently stand. Naturally Israel do not want to leave - nobody has disputed that fact. However, until they reach some compromise with the EBU, then they are no longer eligible to participate - a sort-of "temporary" withdrawal" as things currently stand; and is subject to change pending the membership outcome.  Wes Wolf Talk 00:21, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

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1984 contest
Per this link in the website of the person who wrote the words to the song (and translated from the original Hebrew), the song Balalaika by Ilanit was intended to be submitted to the 1984 Kdam Eurovision in the hopes of representing Israel in the 1984 Eurovision Song Contest. Israel cancelled its participation in the 1984 Eurovision Song Contest. Therefore, the Israel Broadcasting Authority did not hold a selection contest that year. In response, the composers of the song decided to release the song in 1984 regardless, and not wait for the following year to compete for the opportunity to represent Israel with that song in the 1985 Eurovision Song Contest. Banana Republic (talk) 18:12, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Capitalisation of "Feker libi"
rightfully pointed out that not every language has the same capitalisation rules as English (MOS:FOREIGNCAPS), however since the Geʽez script doesn't distinguish between capital and lowercase letters as far as I know, I don't know whether writing "Feker libi" is any more correct than "Feker Libi", especially since virtually all English sources write "Feker Libi". Is there anyone knowledgeable on the topic? dummelaksen (talk) 19:17, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The album artwork shows it capitalized so I think that should settle it. Grk1011 (talk) 20:03, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

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Spelling of the 1983 entry
The spelling of the 1983 entry should be Chai. It's only Hi in the broadcast itself, but pretty much everywhere else it's Chai. The Wikipedia entry for the expression the song's title is taken from spells it Chai too. LivLovisa (talk) 14:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * That's one possible way to romanise "חי" however it's not the only way. There are multiple different standards for how to romanise Hebrew script. Additionally, the "Hi" spelling is backed up not only by the official Eurovision website but was also the preferred romanisation on the cover art of the release of the song in English-language markets (see here). Sims2aholic8 (talk) 18:34, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, for English speaking markets it makes sense to market a foreign language song with a word that the target audience would be aware of.
 * Calling it Hi makes no sense when describing the song itself on an encyclopedia, because the established spelling of Chai is already well established in English-speaking Jewish culture. See Am Yisrael Chai and the Chai symbol. LivLovisa (talk) 19:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Your argument falls down on WP:OR, specifically WP:SYNTH. The reliable sources we have point towards the "Hi" spelling within English Wikipedia as the most prevalently used. Using other examples of how "חי" has been romanised/transliterated into Latin script in other contexts to back up your argument here is not valid unless specific sources for the use of "Chai" for this song specifically instead of "Hi" are presented. We then also need to take WP:COMMONNAME into account, and from what I can see the "Hi" spelling in this context is the most prevalent and therefore should be used. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC)