Talk:Israel national football team

1934 and 1938
Since the Palestine national team of 1934 and 1938 represented Palestine/Eretz Israel, and NOT the entity the current Palestine national team represents, its info should be on this page, NOT at Palestine national football team. Just because the name is the same, doesn't mean its the same entity; neither FIFA nor Israel Football Association (founded and affliated to FIFA in 1928) think so as well. User:Dryazan

"Palestine/Eretz Israel" is not the same entity as "Israel" either. Why shouldn't it get its own article? - Mustafaa 09:40, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Because Israel Football Association was created in 1928, therefore overlapping the 1934 and 1938 teams. I don't think a need for a separate page is necessary, as it is clearly explained on this one. --Dryazan 03:47, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

can someone please put in details explaining Israel being admitted to UEFA, I think it is of great interest.

On FIFA offcial homepage www.FIFA.com you can see at Palestine/Eretz israel world cup match sees as Palestine matcher not Isreal matcher.Wolfmann 07:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Palestine Football Association was also created in 1928.Wolfmann 07:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Please do not change such things without discussing them. The Palestine/Eretz Israel achievements must be attributed to the Israeli national team. First of all, the Palestine/Eretz Israel FA is now the Israeli FA. Secondly, all the teams which played for the Palestine/Eretz Israel FA league joined the Israeli league. Thirdly, most if not all players for the Palestine/Eretz Israel national team joined the Israeli national team. Also Palestine is a new entity which did not exist after 1948. ⌠Yellow up⌡ 16:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Although the Palestinian Football Association, founded in 1928, is rightly considered one of the oldest football associations in Asia - along with Israel who were also founded in that year, the country's national team only became affiliated to FIFA in June 1998, at the governing body's 51st Congress in Paris.Wolfmann 16:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The football association of Palestine that was founded in 1928 is a direct ancestor of the Israeli football association, and NOT the current football association of Palestine.--Nitsansh 18:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes 1934 and 1938 world cup match are sees as palestine matcher. [] dis is from AFC homepage.

[] dis is from FIFA homepage .Although the Palestinian Football Association, founded in 1928, is rightly considered one of the oldest football associations in Asia - along with Israel who were also founded in that year, the country's national team only became affiliated to FIFA in June 1998, at the governing body's 51st Congress in Paris.Wolfmann 19:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Also on Palestinian Football Association homepage is say 1928. []

Intressting to hear you side of the story but i want to now wear you got the fact? I got my fact from FIFA and AFC.Wolfmann 20:58, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Palestine in the 1930s is not the same entity as the Palestinian Authority in the 1990s and 2000s. The football association of Palestine was founded in 1928 in the Brittish mandate of Palestine, which included the territories of nowadays Israel (except the Golan Heights) and the Palestine Authority. Under this name Palestine played 5 international matches between 1934 and 1940. The football association also organized league and cup competitions, in which most of the teams are those that continued to play in the Israeli league and cup after 1948. The football association of Israel is therefor a direct descendant of that Palestine football association, as the state of Israel was founded in 1948 in most of the territory of the Brittish mandate of Palestine. Palestine ceased to exist as a territorial entity from 1948 to the 1990s, when the Palestine Authority was created in areas occopied by Israel in 1967 and previousely held by Jordan (the West Bank) and Egypt (Gazza Strip). Although the "new" Palestine football association claims to be found in 1962, it wasn't recognized by FIFA until the late 1990s and didn't play any international matches.

At least, Israel football association has equal right to be a descendant of the "old" Palestine football association as the "new" Palestine FA. --Nitsansh 00:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I yes agreed whit you Isreal and Palestene have equal right "old" Palestine football association.Wolfmann 03:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Why in 3 Continents?
why did israel play in 3 continents? how could they host asian cup? were the arab teams playing there?
 * Israel played in Asia (its real location) till we got kicked out by the Arab countries who did not like to play against Israel. Obviously we can't play in Oceania, America or Africa so in 1992 we finally got accepted to UEFA.
 * Is there any evidence to back up that the Israel national team participated in qualifying matches in South America or Oceania? If not, I'd suggest deleting this from the first para. Crix 17:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Isreal played in OFC qualifying a number of times, including 1970, 1974, 1978, 1986, and 1990. In 1990, they played a 2-game CONMEBOL/OFC play-off home and away with Columbia. --Brian G 17:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, playing in Colombia does not mean that they are suddenly part of CONMEBOL. As for OFC, I also found 1990 FIFA World Cup (qualification OFC), where it says that Taiwan and Israel were "assigned to the Oceanian zone despite not being OFC members". At least the way the article is worded makes it very confusing "... before settling in Europe as a member of UEFA". Even as member of UEFA you can end up having to play against an AFC team or etc, depending on the circumstances. I would strongly rewording the article, but only after someone more knowledgeable assures us that Israel was never a member of OFC or CONMEBOL. I do think that they were only part of the AFC and then later part of the UEFA (since 1994). As for Africa, according to 1934 FIFA World Cup (qualification), Egypt, Palestine and Turkey (which withdrew later) were the only members of group 12 Africa/Asia, and neither the AFC (1954) nor the CAF (1957) were in existence yet. Very complicated indeed, since qualifications for the world cups were done differently in different times. While nowadays a national association *has* to be a member of a continental federation, this was not the case earlier. But still playing in Africa might be valid, as might be Oceania (albeit for policial reasons), and Asia (as a member of AFC) and Europe (as a member of UEFA). South America is clearly not on the same footing, since it was merely a playoff match. I'm not sure now how to best reword this... Crix 18:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I don't think that anyone implied that they were ever a member of CONMEBOL, but that year OFC (0.5) and CONMEBOL (3.5) shared a qualifying spot and they did play a match on the South American continent as a result. It was not "merely" a playoff, the winner (Columbia) won its spot that way.  I think that the article is OK as written in this area, since it says that they participated in 4 different continents, not in 4 different confederations. --Brian G 18:57, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Point well taken. However I still maintain that the wording and punctuation is confusing, if I have time, I will think about rewording this. Also, shouldn't it be five continents instead of four? Furthermore, I am aware of the importance of playoff matches for the world cup qualification, but I still find it specious to count South America just because of one playoff match. Crix 03:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't object to removing some confusion. I think that maybe the problem stems from it being the lead sentence in the article.  Perhaps if it were moved down in the article (like to the History section) and explaned more there? --Brian G 12:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I never heard about Israel playing World Cup´s qualifying at South America. However, they´ve already played in South American U-20 Championship. They played as guests in the 1988 edition. Here is the link: http://www.conmebol.com/articulos_ver.jsp?id=59973&slangab=E . Digodf 21:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Dror Kashtan wasn't appointed as national coach yet
It's a bit premature to name him as coach from 2006 when it's still 2005... Avraham Grant is still officially the coach, he didn't resign with immediate effect but announced he will not seek an extension of his contract that is due to expire in June 2006.

Another minor correction... the draw which eliminated Israel from the Olympic Games in 1968 wasn't done by a coin toss. It was done by pulling notes out of a hat. --Nitsansh 05:12, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Nickname - the Holy IX???
Never heard about that...--Nitsansh 01:31, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Neither have I. ⌠Yellow up⌡ 17:10, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't it be Holy XI? Dancarney 18:08, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It should be nothing, we have no nickname ⌠Yellow up⌡ 22:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, if it existed it would have to be Holy XI. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.52.154.205 (talk) 18:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

I always thought our nickname was the blue and whites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.59.206.68 (talk) 21:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC) -- HonorTheKing (talk) 01:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Israeli team is known as the Blue and Whites, that Holy XI nickname was reverded 4.5 years ago so its misleading info.

Caps
Can someone please research and correct the list of Top Capped Players vs. what shows in the infobox? I can't find a proper source in English. Perhaps someone who is fluent could get it from a website in Hebrew? --Brian G 20:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I know for a fact they top capped players are Benado and Harazi. According to they have 89 caps. ⌠Yellow up⌡ 22:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Thanks for the update. --Brian G 00:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

84.94.53.71 11:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC) regarding the category: Most appearances on aggregate by a set of brothers Ronen and Alon Harazi, 142, 1992 - present [1]

This fact is incorrect - Alon and Ronen are not brothers

Current Squad
Here is the source of March squad. Matthew_hk  t  c  11:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Dresses
I wonder whether the unicolour dresses are correct, because the German page on the topic has white shorts with blue shirts and blue shorts with white shirts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.52.154.205 (talk) 19:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC). Actually, I'm sure they're wrong now. French and HEBREW page have blue-white or white-blue dresses but no unicolour.

Israel just got new jerseys for the 08/09 season with which they will be playing currently. This time, the home jersey is white while the away jersey is blue. Both jerseys can be seen at Puma's official website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.244.143 (talk) 02:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The Israel Football Association released new kits a few weeks ago, which means the Puma kits released a few months ago were used for a very short time. The new kit maker is Adidas, a step up, replacing Puma after many years as the kit maker of the Israeli national team. The new home kit was revealed to be all blue, and was played for the first time in a friendly against Finland. The away kit has not been revealed, presumably white. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.247.187 (talk) 06:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistency.
I found a minor inconsistency in the Euro 2008 Qualification section.

In the match against Estonia, the result was given as 0-1, with the home team first. But in the matches against FYR Macedonia and Andorra, the results are given as 2-1 and 2-0, although Israel was the away team.

I decided to be bold, and changed the Estonia result so that all results are given with Israel first. If the other policy is preferred - home team first - please feel free to change results accordingly. The Legend of Julie Egbert 23:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Not much on why and how UEFA let Israel join their ranks
Not an important event? Reaper7 18:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have expanded the paragraph a bit and tried to clarify why IFA joined UEFA. BestEditorEver 20:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * well done, more complete article now Reaper7 13:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you! BestEditorEver 10:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

still unclear... and why the expulsion from the asian conf.? and why did they play with the SOUTH AMERICAN conf???
 * Israel played against Colombia in inter-continental playoff as winner of Oceania zone qualifying tournament.--Nitsansh (talk) 00:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

you need to write Gai Assulin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.0.29.187 (talk) 18:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

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Broken kit patterns
I removed the broken patterns from kits. It had the text "File:Kit body israel home10" over the kit images. I didn't know how to fix it properly. Judging from Brazil national football team, they have the pattern "_bra08h" and there's this corresponding image, but the Israeli images are missing: and. --JamesBrownJr (talk) 19:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)'''

-- HonorTheKing (talk) 02:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Iv'e put the kit that the national team is wearing this season.

Redirect from History of the Israel national football team
I was unaware of this page's existence when I created my page, and by comparing the two, i think it is unfair to dismiss History of the Israel national football team. it has a lot of info tat is missed out here. I think a redirect was a rash move and a merge is more appropriate.--Coin945 (talk) 14:51, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * There probably is content that could be merged there, but considering the terrible state, badly translated and entirely unsourced, this article was in I feel a redirect was justified, and a best the thing to do would be to expand the main article from the hebrew version properly using real translation not a machine-- Jac 16888 Talk 15:12, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough... :)--Coin945 (talk) 16:21, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Oppose merge. For now at least. I'd like to give the history page a week or two on it's own to get cleaned up and then we can debate a merge. Joe407 (talk) 11:28, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * So do you intend to do any cleaning up of it? Besides, as I already said, the article is a mess because it was machine translated, and would be better off being rewritten from scratch and used to expand this page. Not to mention the fact that technically its a copyright violation since it was copied from the Hebrew wikipedia with has no attribution -- Jac 16888 Talk 11:48, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Did everyone then forget this? History of the Israel national football team was tagged Rough translation back in April 2011, but as far as I can see, not posted on Pages needing translation into English. Some people have made some of that article intelligible, especially the earlier parts, but the latter parts are still gobbledygook and there are still no citations. What do you want to happen? --Stfg (talk) 13:34, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * As to the clean up, I was unaware that there is a cat of Pages needing translation into English. I did the clean up of the lead and the first section on pre-state history. When I have the time I'd like to get to the rest but such is the nature of non-urgent volunteer work. As to the citations, Stfg is correct that there are no citations.  As the information is in no way harmful, is NPOV, and is most probably correct, even though it is currently without sources, I would just tagged it as unsourced rather than delete the info. Thoughts? Joe407 (talk) 14:01, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Rough translation does populate a category, but if you look at its message box, you'll see it also asks the tagger to subst something into the translation requests page. The tagger seems to have forgotten to do that. I would have done it today, but there are other options and I didn't know what you want. The options I can see are: make it a redirect (losing content); merge (keeping some content); keep and improve, if you can figure out what it's saying; or request translation. The Hebrew article is much bigger. I think the rosette symbol at its top may mean it's a featured article. Translation isn't necessarily the only good course, since the citations are in Hebrew and there may be a long wait for an available translator. The only thing is, if translation isn't wanted, it would be good to remove the tag so that someone doesn't waste their time. --Stfg (talk) 15:18, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced it's really NPOV, since its tags include fansite, peacock and weasel, but I'm not much interested in pushing this. I've removed the Rough translation tag now, though. We should only be asking translators to do what would be a very substantial amount of work if we really want it. --Stfg (talk) 20:43, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, restore the redirect, the damn thing is still a terrible and unsourced mess-- Jac 16888 Talk 14:00, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Is the national team a club?
So this is in Category:Association football clubs established in 1928. Why? Snowsuit Wearer (talk&#124;contribs) 11:39, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism
Anyone, I dunno a lot about Israel's FIFA rankings, so I cannot edit it, but SOMEBODY but their FIFA Ranking to 4999 and said they gone down by 5000, What the hell?!, somebody needs to fix that Mahdi Akhtar (talk) 16:14, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Previous squads
I updated the list of previous squads to add some other contests which were previously excluded. Additionally those pages which had Israel specific pages for the tournament, I linked to this pages instead (i.e. World Cup, Olympics), since that would more likely contain more info, which people would be looking for who want to see the squads.

I plan on creating additional pages for Israel at other tournaments. I already have draft pages worked up for Israel at AFC Asian Cup and UEFA European Championship which I hope to put live soon, once I finish tweaking them. I will add them to the squad list as well, once complete.

The following pages don't have squads listed so I didn't link them. If anyone can add them or help with gathering the info, it would be great.
 * Israel at the 1950 FIFA World Cup
 * Israel at the 1954 FIFA World Cup
 * Israel at the 1958 FIFA World Cup
 * Israel at the 1974 FIFA World Cup
 * Israel at the 1978 FIFA World Cup
 * Israel at the 1982 FIFA World Cup
 * Israel at the 1986 FIFA World Cup
 * Israel at the 1990 FIFA World Cup
 * Israel at the 1994 FIFA World Cup
 * Israel at the 1998 FIFA World Cup
 * Israel at the 2002 FIFA World Cup
 * Israel at the 2006 FIFA World Cup
 * Israel at the 2010 FIFA World Cup
 * Israel at the 2014 FIFA World Cup

Also the 1934 had squads listed but should be expanded and/or cleaned up.

Any help with any of this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -  Galatz Talk  00:49, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I added these European Championship stats but they also still need squads added


 * Israel at the 1996 UEFA European Championship
 * Israel at the 2000 UEFA European Championship
 * Israel at the 2004 UEFA European Championship
 * Israel at the 2008 UEFA European Championship
 * Israel at the 2012 UEFA European Championship
 * Israel at the 2016 UEFA European Championship


 * Thanks -  Galatz Talk  03:41, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Another page?
I think the statistics, head to head needs splitting off to another page. Govvy (talk) 11:42, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Re-Vandalism
I ask the administrators of Wikipedia to include this article in the list of articles that are edited only by those who have Wikipedia accounts because from time to time the article is being vandalized by adding "Last international" as if it were a non-existent team. Wikipedia should not be used for nationalist rhetoric, but for encyclopedias and information. I hope I am not wrong and I hope that my edits in this article are not wrong. ManiacOfSport (talk) 16:14, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Stop trying to force your POV on this article. Just leave. Stop edit warring on subjects you know nothing about. 109.66.23.126 (talk) 16:59, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Statistics include official FIFA-recognised matches only. Read the notes as they will explain why FIFA's records differs from that of the IFA. Felixsv7 (talk) 17:41, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


 * you can revert your Statistics back. Just noticed your sources are okay. 109.66.23.126 (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


 * As far as I saw you are new to Wikipedia and do not know some rules that I hope you will learn, I have years as with account as without account that I deal and contribute to sports I am not focused on a national team as you say, I edit where I see that there is no update for the issue I raised is that the only thing I asked is not to add "Last international" as this serves only for national teams that do not exist., I returned your editing about the statistics which had reverted by the editor without account. ManiacOfSport (talk) 22:26, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

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Current Competitions - WikiProject Football/National teams
Hi ,

Just letting you know why I reverted your changes.

The use of current competitions on national team pages was discussed here but there hasn't been any advocacy for its inclusion as the information is readily available in other sections of the article.

Also, the images that you moved are relevant to the Records section therefore I've placed them there, whereas the picture with the teammates and the '64 Asian Cup is not.

Why do you believe that your edits are an improvement?

Cheers,

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and. Please address the above. Felixsv7 (talk) 08:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Cite error
There is an undefined note in the article, causing a cite error. The definition of it can be found in the main article Israel national football team results (2020–present).

The first instance of:  

should be replaced by:  

Thanks ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 10:07, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ — LauritzT (talk) 10:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 10:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

order the history by years
the history is a little harsh to read as it jumps back and forth with the dates and arbitrary titles are used. imo a history ordered by time, with headings like from 1948 - xxx and so on, ease the reading flow. --ThurnerRupert (talk) 05:08, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Plese do not engage in edit warring over international outcomes of another national team
This other team is also a "dead" one for decades, so we already agreed upon that mentioning it more than once (the first ever outcome) here is more than enough.

Either way, it is already on display with the rest of the outcomes in a similar Infobox on its own Wiki article (Mandatory Palestine national football team).

So please refrain from breaking the WP:3RR rule again.

Keep in mind that any editor should always acknowledge the Talk page and seek to engage in discussion instead of a never-ending edit warring, anonymous IP User:45.50.164.192, is that fine with you? 2A0D:6FC0:1FAB:F300:D002:893F:8487:1D20 (talk) 01:07, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

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Qualification Euro 2024 Israel - Suisse et Israel -Roumnie
Parc des Princes Paris *** 77.137.78.148 (talk) 17:44, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Parc des Prince Paris ***
Qualification as l euro 2024

15/11/23 Israel - Suisse

18/11/23 Isrel - Roumania 77.137.78.148 (talk) 17:47, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2023
77.137.74.38 (talk) 08:17, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  JTP (talk • contribs) 15:27, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

UEFA Nations League A matches
Can you add the Nations League matches against Italy, France, and Belgium? All times and dates have been announced. You can add the current note that is in place for all Israel matches.

47.153.148.108 (talk) 22:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Israel Friendly 26 March against Bosnia and Herzegovina
Since Israel lost to Iceland, they have a friendly against Bosnia and Herzegovina since they lost to Ukraine. Match will take place on 26 March. Please add when you can. 47.153.148.108 (talk) 22:52, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Israel match with Belarus
Can you add this match in? 47.153.148.108 (talk) 03:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)