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Intermarriage
Can anyone substantiate this?

"While not all Jews disapprove of intermarriage, many members of the Israeli Jewish community have expressed their concern that a high rate of interfaith marriages will result in the eventual disappearance of the Israeli Jewish community."

Many Israeli Jews do indeed disapprove of intermarriage, but I find it hard to believe a large number fear the disappearance of the Israeli Jewish community through intermarriage, given that Jews are a 74% majority in Israel.--RM (Be my friend) 22:50, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

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Is this article subject to discretionary sanctions?
I noticed that arbitration enforcement warnings are included on many talk pages related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, including Talk:Palestinians, but this template is absent from this talk page. Are articles about Israeli Jews also subject to these discretionary sanctions? Jarble (talk) 01:29, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Just put a montage!
I am an Israeli Jew, from Mizrahi and Sephardi heritage. This conversation about ethnic divisions is ridiculous. We are all Israeli Jews from the one Jewish race or ethnic group, if you will. That is how the majority Jewry sees the Jewish nation. Who cares which pictures we put as long they are not politicians? I don't care and I truly think this actual conversation is dividing us more than "showing our ethnic diversity". Also if you do go that systematic selection route, why put Ethiopian or indian Jews? makes no sense as they are just 2% of population, you will need to choose one of them. This route will never end also because of this

I have a suggestion, I will take pictures of people from the street, with consent of course, no famous people. And then we will make the montage. We don't need famous people in this montage. We want to show the common Israeli jew — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michlapid (talk • contribs) 12:14, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Sabras
The article states that 68% of Israeli Jews are Sabras, but according to the CBS 4,997,500 of Israel's 6,500,300 Jews are Israeli-born, which equals 76.88%. Of the Sabras, 2,983,900 also descend from a Sabra father (59.7%, or 45.9% of the total Jewish population), i.e. are third (or more) generation Israelis. See English indicators on the bottom page --213.57.230.186 (talk) 11:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 March 2020
In light that someone updated the "core population", could someone update also the "enlarged population" below or simply remove it? It doesn't make sense that, as it stands now, the core population is bigger than the enlarged one.--Aroma Stylish (talk) 14:29, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅.  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 11:35, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 April 2020
The Hyper Link for the "Great Arab Revolt" is wrongly directing the user to the Ancient Roman Jewish war. instead it should be replaced by the following link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine. Utku Öziz (talk) 21:44, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅.  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 22:44, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Some nonsense
Some uncited text in the article is nonsense. Zerotalk 03:48, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * In 1937, following the Great Arab Revolt, the partition plan proposed by the Peel Commission was rejected by the Palestinian Arab leadership, but accepted tentatively by Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion — BG only proposed accepting it as a step towards all of Palestine (see Peel Commission for refs). But the Zionist Congress rejected BG's recommendation, explicitly rejecting the partition plan and only empowering the executive to enter into negotiations with the British government. The resolution is quoted in full in the Woodhead Commission report.
 * As a result, in 1939, the British caved to Arab pressure because of support needed for World War II, abandoned the idea of a Jewish national homeland... — the claim "because of support needed for World War II" needs a very good source, especially since the White Paper was drafted 5 months before WWII and passed 3 months before.
 * The [white paper of 1939] placed severe restrictions on Jewish immigration, while placing no restriction on Arab immigration. — The last part is absolutely false. Actually there were quotas on non-Jewish immigration much smaller than the Jewish quota. The numbers were published regularly in the official Gazette. The Jewish quota was 1,500 per month, which the government often reduced by their estimate of illegal Jewish immigration. The non-Jewish quota, to give some examples, was 100 certificates total for April-May 1940 (Gazette 1002), 100 certificates total for July-Sep 1941 (Gazette 1123), 100 certificates total for Apr-June 1942 (Gazette 1205), 200 certificates for mid-Oct to mid-Nov 1947 (Gazette 1622). I'm omitting some details such as whether certificates applied to families or only individuals; this varied but the same rules applied to Jews and others.
 * Specifically to the 2nd point you raise, I think we can amend that to read "As a result, in 1939, the British caved to Arab pressure because of support needed to prevent Nazi and Fascist penetration into the region, and abandoned the idea of a Jewish national homeland.... That is easily sourced, by e.g.  JungerMan Chips Ahoy! (talk) 16:42, 30 April 2020 (UTC)


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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 February 2021
Change it from 74.1% to 74.2% – Bromsjie9 (talk) 22:32, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The source "[1]" gives "74.1%".  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 16:21, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

What about France ?
No reference to the community in France. Thx Bob8787 (talk) 01:15, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

ashkenazi-sephardi disinformation
"About 44.9% percent of Israel's Jewish population identify as either Mizrahi or Sephardi, 44.2% identify as Ashkenazi, about 3% as Beta Israel and 7.9% as mixed or other"

So how exactly "The majority of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi"? The phrasing is misleading and unproven. It's more or less half-half. You should also take into account that not all Sephardics are Mizrahim. There are for example Sephardics from European countries like Bulgaria, Greece, Italy. So there may be more Europeans than mizrhim. Quotes by some random journalist are also quoted here. And a study from 2006. During this time, hundreds of thousands of Jews immigrated to Israel, most of them Ashkenazi. The correct phrasing should be something like this: mizrahim make up half or more of the population in Israel. Any other phrasing would be misleading and false. please fix it. 15:02, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Wrong percentage of Jews born in Israel
In the Population section, it says 68% of Jews in Israel were born in Israel, but it is actually 78%


 * Total Jews in Israel (thousands): 6718.8
 * Of them born in Israel (thousands): 5247.4
 * Source: https://www.cbs.gov.il/he/publications/doclib/2020/2.shnatonpopulation/st02_06x.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aggressor1 (talk • contribs) 12:32, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

descent of modern israelis from ancient israelites
references 21 & 22 do not support the un-nuanced statement made in the intro. they clearly state that modern ashkenazim are in part descended from middle eastern semitic peoples of the time but it does not in any way demonstrate that modern israelis are the direct descendants of the ancient israelites 86.184.139.192 (talk) 07:51, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


 * This sort of POV-ish shoehorning of sources to support statements that they don't really support is a bit of trend in topics where nationalistic politics, religion and personal identity intersect. Your observations on the failings here are correct. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:05, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Restoration of non-compliant material
@Tombah: Please can you explain your unexplained revert, because as it stands, this revert is essentially unexplained. That this material is longstanding is A) not relevant to anything, because longstanding flawed material is still flawed material, and B) incorrect, because it is not longstanding at all in any case. In fact, the wording of the material as it stood was largely produced by me, and only on 13 April, presumably based on the thread immediately above. At the time, I clearly failed to properly check whether the material was A) supported in the body, which it is not, or B), was supported directly by the sources, which it is also not. Aside from being material pertaining more generally to Genetic studies on Jews, as already explained in the edit summary for the removal, failing the above qualifications – basically MOS:LEAD and WP:V – it has no place. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:56, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Infobox numbers for "Israel" includes israeli settlers in occupied territories
The numbers for "Israel" in the infobox includes Israeli settlers in occupied territories, this must clearly be stated in the infobox. Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 07:36, 30 July 2023 (UTC)