Talk:Israeli Labor Party

right or left
Is this party right wing or left? I see two answers on this page.
 * i dont see two answers. labour party is left-wing, it's not a fact in dispute.

It is indeed a left wing party. No one is debating that in Israel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avivdc (talk • contribs) 19:50, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

spelling
Israel uses the American/Latin spelling of labor. "Labour" should be a redirect to "Labor," but I don't know how to do that. Sorry.
 * The party officially uses "Israel Labour Party" in English. 84.228.139.190 16:36, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Not on their own Web site, they don't. Where's your evidence? (Did you click on the "Official website" at the bottom of the page...?)
 * It's on the sign above the entrance to party headquarters in Tel Aviv.
 * Since the spelling on their Web site is more recent, that should probably be what guides us in this decision.

Israeli's I know use British spelling - given that Israel was part of the British mandate of Palestine this makes sense. The use of US spelling is probably only due to the large numbers of American immigrants to Israel.


 * You are INCORRECT. Listen, I understand most Wiki users hate the U.S., but these spelling wars are ridiculous. Go to official Israeli Web sites. They use American spelling ("Ministry of Defense," etc.). That means this page should be written using American spelling. That's policy!

No that is NOT incorrect and it is not a spelling war. The use of US spelling only began with the large scale American immigration to Israel. Prior to 1948 Israel was a British mandate for some thirty years. Therefore British spelling was used and is the correct one to employ. To use American spelling is historically and culturally inappropriate since it has only been used by American colonists. Also why did you change 'British Labour' to 'British labor'? The British labour party has never used the -or spelling.


 * Listen, Americans aren't a disease (though you may think so). The fact that many Americans have immigrated to Israel may be part of why Israel favors American spelling, but that's irrelevant: ISRAEL NOW FAVORS AMERICAN SPELLING (though some Israelis still use British spelling, of course, as do some Americans, Chinese, and lots of others who otherwise generally use American/spelling reform spellings). The U.S., like Israel, ALSO used British spelling originally. Guess why? Because the U.S. was a British colony. Would you argue on those grounds that Americans all spell English incorrectly? You might, but that would be absurd. Your "[t]herefore" is simply incorrect, and you are manifesting cultural bias (the view that earlier is better; your IP number -- by the way, why don't you log in? -- indicates you are from Europe, where the "earlier is better" view is common; that doesn't mean it's correct). The way things are NOW is what matters. That is Wiki policy. (About "British Labor" -- my careless mistake; sorry.) Wiki policy is NOT that that which is "historically appropriate" is what matters, perhaps in part because "historically appropriate" is a sloppy notion. Either way: Shakespeare originally used -- most of the time: he didn't care too much about spelling -- the Latin spelling of "-or" words until the Norman upper class compelled him to spell them "-our" (same thing with his spelling of "center"). Should we start changing all British -our spellings to -or spellings? No, because the "-our" spellings forced (partly) by the Norman upper class are now part of England's linguistic history. Israel's having been influenced by the U.S. is now part of their history. Your country was a superpower for a long time and influenced other countries. Now the U.S. is a superpower and is influencing other countries. Next it will be some other superpower that will influence other countries. Deal with it.


 * Please assume good faith and be civil, all of you. Now, Ha-Avoda's website does, indeed, use "Labor". Whether Israelis in general use "Labor" or "Labour", the party itself obviously prefers the American spelling. Now, PLEASE stop edit warring over the issue. — Cuivi é  nen , Thursday, 13 April 2006 @ 02:53 (UTC)


 * Excellent advice! BrianinStockholm 08:43, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

man u r sooo right!!! cheers!!!

youth organization
I'm new to editing Wikipedia so I don't want to make any changes without running these thoughts by other people first. Two names are given for the youth organization in the sentence: "The youth organisation is the Mishmeret Tse’irah shel Mifleget HaAwoda (Hebrew: משמר נוער בתוך מפלגת העבודה‎)." The Hebrew reads "Mishmar Noar Betoch Mifleget haAvoda." On the hebrew wikipedia page for the Israeli Labor party, there is an external link that takes one to the youth movement's page (www.labor.org.il/mishmeret). That page seems to confirm the English name in the sentence (though it includes a "ha" in front of "Tse'irah"). I would assume then that the hebrew needs to be changed to: משמרת הצעירה של מפלגת העבודה. Personally, I would also recommend changing the spelling in the English transliteration to be "Mishmeret HaTze'irah shel Mifleget HaAvoda" so that it is more consistent with other transliterations on the page. On a related note, the external link to the party's website does not seem to be working for me (neither in Safari 3 nor Firefox 2). However, www.labor.org.il (which hosts the youth movement's page) does seem to work. Has the Labor party moved their website to a new URL? -AvielD (talk) 01:48, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Extra space
Is there any way to get rid of that huge white space after "History"? 207.245.44.227 15:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Done - it's all to do with the location of templates. Number   5  7  15:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Labor Party (Israel)
I have added "Party" into the title because that is what it is, a political party called the "Labor Party" (in English anyway). – Marco79 02:40, 29 May 2007 (UTC) It's also "Labor Party" in Hebrew so you did right — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avivdc (talk • contribs) 19:51, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

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Russian
Надо перевести (translate):

Выборы главы партии в июне 2007 года. По предавительным данным Барак лидирует в арабских городах, а Аялон в еврейских.

Арад: Барак – 64, Аялон – 63. Бейт-Шеан: Барак – 202, Аялон – 169. Бейт-Шемеш: Аялон и Барак – по 73 голоса. Иерусалим: Барак – 1097, Аялон – 1043 (сопоставим с итогами первого тура: Аялон - 804, Барак - 699, Пинес - 531, Перец - 253, Ятом - 15). Кармиэль: Барак – 251, Аялон - 161 Кафр-Ясиф (друзы): Барак – 145, Аялон – 82. Кирьят-Шмона: Барак – 195, Аялон – 113 (сопоставим с итогами первого тура: Барак - 154, Перец - 65, Аялон - 52, Пинес - 22, Ятом - 9). Лод: Аялон – 420, Барак – 39 (сопоставим с итогами первого тура: Перец - 365, Аялон - 48, Барак – 42). Маале-Адумим: Барак – 47, Аялон – 25 (сопоставим с итогами первого тура: Пинес - 28, Аялон - 19, Барак - 17, Перец – 16). Мадждаль-Крум (друзы): Барак – 210, Аялон – 0. Назарет (арабы): Барак – 171, Аялон – 41. Сафсуфа (арабы): Барак – 153, Аялон – 70. Сдерот: Аялон – 705, Барак – 86 (сопоставим с итогами первого тура: Перец - 688, Аялон - 42, Барак - 32). Сдот-Ям (киббуц): Аялон – 99, Барак – 77. Тайбе (арабы): Барак – 149, Аялон – 63. Тверия: Барак – 145, Аялон – 109 (сопоставим с итогами первого тура: Барак - 91, Аялон - 88, Перец - 45). Умм-эль-Фахм (арабы): Барак – 156, Аялон – 42. Шааб (арабы): Барак – 230, Аялон – 3. Шфаръам (арабы): Барак – 455, Аялон – 48. http://www.sedmoycanal.com/article.php3?id=228903

Political principles - current
The section "Political principles - current" seems POV and unsubstantial to me. It starts with "in recent years" which is completely unspecified and useless. And why is "up until" current? Without any sources, it claims that HaAvoda was considered (by whom?) not social-democratic. It claims that the party's platform is centrist, whithout source. It claims that third way is not social democratic, which is in contradiction to the article third way. (I myself don't know the party, but I suspect that in fact the principles have not changed; however, the policies may have.) --93.215.166.95 (talk) 00:14, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

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Name in Infobox
Vif12vf, you revert my edit so let me explain. There are many parties around the world named Labor, so the name of the pages need to be different from one another. However we can simply state the party name in the Infobox which is simply Labor. Look at the Infobox in Labor Party (UK), Labour Party (Argentina), Labour Party (Greenland), Labour Party (Hong Kong), Labour Party (Ireland), Labour Party (Italy) and others. Look at Republican Party (United States) and Republican Party (France) and Republican Party (Liberia). We don't need to mention the country in the name of the party in the infobox. Israeli Labor party isn't the name of the party, its just the name of the article. The party name its just Labor. Sokuya (talk) 11:42, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thats fine, but you should have written that in the edit-summary so that it doesn't look like you are blanking out information! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 11:59, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn't know how to summarise it. Sokuya (talk) 12:12, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Results
I observe that in the "Election results", in some elections the number of seats is the number of seats obtained by the coalition in which Labor participated and that in other elections the number of seats is the number of seats elected from the Labor Party, not the coalition in which Labor participated (1999, 2015, 2019). Maybe it has sense that the seats will be the seats obtained by the coalition, but the the criterion should be the same. Another option is to show only the seats elected from the party but creating a column called "Notes" or something similar explaining that this seats were obtained within the coalition xxx, that in total they obtained xx.--Jordi G (talk) 20:49, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

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It's not mentioned that the party doesn't exactly exist anymore
Recently they merged with Meretz forming a party called "the democrats" 2A06:C701:7502:DA00:37D9:AF31:83B0:F6D0 (talk) 17:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The merger still has to be approved by both parties; until then both parties still exist. Labor will vote on it on 12 July. David O. Johnson (talk) 17:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)