Talk:Issue advocacy ads/Archives/2012

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This article is very biased.

This page only speaks from a US perspective, perhaps because the term "Issue Advocacy Ads" has a special meaning in the US. Are there any available publicly viewable versions of the particular ad described? As an outsider to this (im not from the US) I personally dont see the particular bias... perhaps the previous commenter holds a partisan view which they feel Isn't being represented?

I'm actually not sure that an issue advocacy advertisment is necessarily one which has been funded by "soft money", because, if it was funded by "hard money" instead it would still be the same style of advertising, although it might now be allowed to use those prohibited words.

86.9.173.206 (talk) 14:18, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


 * @86.9.173.206, absolutely correct that it doesnt have to be soft money but these Ads are generally created by political groups called "527s"(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/527_group). They can be created by both companies and PACs. in addition, issue advocacy ads (In the US) are generally negative, attacking an opposing candidate's integrity.
 * 205.197.255.250 (talk) 00:29, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

top to bottom rewrite
Spent about 10 hours on this page today. Yeah.

It was terrible..and we need a new name. vote

issue advocacy and express advocacy with a redirect for express advocacy to this page Pbmaise (talk) 09:24, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

aaarrrrrggggghhhhhh...I'm buried in court rulings and opinions about them I hope I'm making this understandable. I'm drawing in from almost 200 pages of court document and legal opinions to form this tiny page and try and get it to the general pubic level 03:23, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * So many things to say...First, Wikipedia does not rely on voting, but consensus. Second, I disagree with some of your recent changes, redirects and wikilinking that directs issue advocacy or express advocacy to this article. Those are terms with far, far greater meanings than simply talking about advertizements. This article solely should focus on issue advertizing with only a section about the controversy over issue vs express advocacy advertizing. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 07:12, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * On a side note, pouring over court rulings would probably be a waste of time for here as much of that would mean your edits would be original research (or just your opinion) and not information from reliable and third-party sources. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 07:12, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Interest advocacy not issue
I checked back on page and see references to interest advocacy were largely changed to issue advocacy. Interest is the legal definition in the United States and issue is the common one heard in the press. How I have trying to keep the two apart is think of advocacy only as a verb adverb, and issue as a noun or adjective. Pbmaise (talk) 06:24, 22 February 2012 (UTC)