Talk:It's All Too Much

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Minor edit for leader?
I was wondering if we should include the release date of the film in the leader text? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.220.114 (talk) 23:06, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Jorma Kaukonen Dedication at Beginning?
This has been bothering me. What exactly did John Lennon say at the beginning of this song before a guitar chord plays? Some fans think he said "To your mother," other fans thought he said "To Jorma!" - as a dedication to Jorma Kaukonen of Jefferson Airplane.

However, the "To Jorma!" version may be debunked because: this song was recorded from May-June 1967, and while George Harrison did set foot in Jefferson Airplane's hometown of San Francisco that August, JA were actually touring Canada then.

A month before the song was recorded, though, Paul McCartney visited San Francisco and met up with JA's other guitarists, Jack Casady and Marty Balin, but not with Kaukonen, further dispelling this version of the story. WikiPro1981X (talk)

Books?
There's a great new book by Rob Sheffield, with a whole chapter on this song, called Dreaming the Beatles. Sheffield is already cited from an earlier book, so I don't really hve anything to add to the article. But I'd like to get the book in here some how. Why is there no "Suggested Reading section? Or should I just drop it into "References"?--Daveler16 (talk) 12:55, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . I've seen a couple of things in Sheffield's book I think might be worth including, actually. But if not, I'll happily add it under "Further reading" or something. Cheers, JG66 (talk) 13:47, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

{u|JG66}}} Hmm. I was going to use it for "all time great psychedelic guitar freak out", but that's already here from another article. What 2 uses did you see? Maybe that they were capable of jamming, and it's George's "funniest" lyric, or that it's all about Patti? Glad to find someone else who's read it.--Daveler16 (talk) 15:47, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I haven't read it, in fact, but I make the most of the (edited) excerpts and online previews! Yeah, I thought the Beatles jamming aspect was worth adding, further to the point made by Bobby Gillespie in the Mojo list; and (although I think it's a bit of a stretch by Sheffield in this instance) the Pattie-as-muse thing. Also, the mention of how Pepper would have been improved by the inclusion of "Too Much", building on Williamson's opinion in Uncut with mention of "that combination of acid-rock momentum and brass-band frippery".
 * As mentioned in a comment with one of the edits, though, the section seems to have ballooned out now, somewhat. Will try to trim it down – e.g. Greg Kot's "raga-flavored groove" quote could easily move up to Composition, to add to the description of the song. JG66 (talk) 15:30, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Added the "jam" observation. --Daveler16 (talk) 15:22, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Apologies but I felt the need to revert that change. It seems pretty trivial to include in the lead, where there's already mention of the Beatles' unusual, "informal approach" to creating the track. (Not only that but the song does have a formal structure – verses, choruses, 1st instrumental break, "Too much" coda – so Sheffield's exaggerating the jam aspect somewhat.) JG66 (talk) 01:31, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

lead guitar
The main track was recorded together while George Harrision was playing the Hammond organ. John Lennon played lead on this song i believe Zachdm (talk) 14:58, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, you believe, but Wikipedia relies on reliable sources, not individual editor's opinions. The sources support that Harrison and Lennon play lead guitar on the song, which would suggest Harrison overdubbing after playing Hammond on the main track. This would not be an unusual scenario; it's one supported by several sources anyway, and that's all that matters. JG66 (talk) 15:03, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Well fair enough ig Zachdm (talk) 16:22, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , that's great. You might want to read WP:VERIFY, to understand Wikipedia's approach. JG66 (talk) 17:01, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the likelihood that it's Lennon playing the lead guitar, since he did have a fondness for guitar feedback sounds (as heard on "I Feel Fine" and the opening track on "Unfinished Music No. 2: Life with the Lions called Cambridge 1969''). 220.245.115.93 (talk) 08:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

"Mixing" section - undue issues

 * re: your 3 reverts ,,. Please explain why the following text relates specifically to the "mixing" of the record, and show why this content is due.
 * We read: "In the months since recording the song, Harrison had sworn off acid after visiting the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco in August, with Boyd, Taylor and others. He said he found himself disillusioned at how, rather than an enlightened micro-society, Haight-Ashbury seemed to be a haven for dropouts and drug addicts. Harrison and Lennon subsequently became avid supporters of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's Transcendental Meditation technique, after the Beatles had attended a seminar by the Maharishi in Bangor, Wales, in late August. While in Bangor, the group announced that they had given up taking hallucinogenic drugs – an about-turn after McCartney had caused controversy by publicly espousing the benefits of LSD in an interview with Life magazine, published in June. MacDonald writes that through Harrison's embrace of meditation, "It's All Too Much" served as his "farewell to acid"."
 * Mixing subsection should ideally deal with in-studio process of mixing a record and focus on the technical/creative aspects of the procedure - in relation to recording and production.
 * Why is excessive detail about Harrison/Haight Ashbury/Transcendental Meditation included when no direct connection between these aspects and how the record was mixed is presented? Acousmana 16:10, 5 July 2021 (UTC)


 * It's providing context for that October 1967 period, four months after initial recording, just as in any article about a song, there'd be context for when it was written, recorded, released, played live if the artist's ignored it for years, etc. This song is about the LSD experience – although as Harrison always said, the major message he got from his first trip was "Yogis of the Himalayas". And a major turnaround occurs in his and the band's philosophy and thoughts on LSD in late August/September, so it seems ridiculous not to mention it. Plus, Harrison telegraphs the change in his comments under Background, and MacDonald recognises the song's importance in light of his embrace of Transcendental Meditation. JG66 (talk) 16:33, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This doesn't explain what this tangential aside has to do with "mixing."
 * Can you show how this influenced the mixing of the record?
 * Seems relevant only in the context of "Background and inspiration" section, not the section on production/recording/mixing. Ac<b style="color:#804fb3">ou</b><b style="color:#9969c7">s</b><b style="color:#b589d6">m</b><b style="color:#9969c7">a</b><b style="color:#804fb3">n</b><b style="color:#6a359c">a</b> 16:44, 5 July 2021 (UTC)


 * No, and I don't think it needs to. These details apply to the period when they happened to mix the song, but not before and not afterwards in terms of when we drop into the chronology. I wouldn't expect contextual details on a record's release to be anywhere but in the Release section either. JG66 (talk) 16:52, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * we agree then that it doesn't relate to the "mixing" of the record, are you happy to accept this as a compromise? <b style="color:#552586">Ac</b><b style="color:#804fb3">ou</b><b style="color:#9969c7">s</b><b style="color:#b589d6">m</b><b style="color:#9969c7">a</b><b style="color:#804fb3">n</b><b style="color:#6a359c">a</b> 18:12, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I still think you're being overly rigid in your thinking. But yes, I can live with that change. JG66 (talk) 03:40, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * i find it coatracky, that's all, it all happened after the tune was written and tracked, just fail to see why Harrison's LSD crisis and consequent bigging up of TM requires this amount of coverage. <b style="color:#552586">Ac</b><b style="color:#804fb3">ou</b><b style="color:#9969c7">s</b><b style="color:#b589d6">m</b><b style="color:#9969c7">a</b><b style="color:#804fb3">n</b><b style="color:#6a359c">a</b> 13:38, 6 July 2021 (UTC)