Talk:It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia/Archive 1

Luthur
The info on this character seems wrong. Can someone please verify?--67.175.86.191 (talk) 04:54, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

umm
Um...I screwed up the page on accident (somehow when editing it a bunch of the episodes summaries went away), is there anyway to undo this?


 * Yep. Click on the history, which will show a list of the most recent revisions.  Click on the revision immediately prior to yours.  Click on "edit this page", then save.  That will revert the article to the version prior to yours.  (By the way, I already did so for you.)  Happy editing! -- SwissCelt 00:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

$200? Hard to believe
I find it hard to believe the budget for two episodes was $200. Other than FX advertising, where is the source for this?
 * I've put a citation needed tag at the end of the claim. If a source isn't provided within a week or two it'll be removed. --TM 18:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Here's an article that states it, I dont know if tahts enough citation though. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/28/DDGE9JKNGD13.DTL
 * Thanks a lot for finding that. The article states that, "First it was an idea shot for $200 by creators... " which makes it sound as if $200 was actually the budget of a pilot episode, and not the first two FX episodes; other articles support this, and further say that the creators received $400,000 from FX for the first season after they saw the pilot, there's a New York Post article but it's somewhat difficult to access (requires searching archives, registration, etc), so here's a cached version with the related terms highlighted: . I'll change the article to reflect this. --TM 05:44, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I heard that it was made for less, all the costs were the tapes. Said in the itunes interview, by director/creator Rob Mchelaney.

It was confirmed by Danny Devito during his interview on the Daily Show (8/03/06) that they filmed it for $85 dollars and then sold the show to FX. --Heller Thur 17:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Like TheMidnighters said, It was a pilot not an official Fox-made episode that was shot for 200$, or really, 85. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigbobo1 (talk • contribs) 04:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Split off episode list
Since the episode descriptions are pretty long and there are more coming I was thinking it would be good to start a List of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia episodes article soon. Thoughts? --TM 16:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that's a good idea.--67.168.0.155 05:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I would personally wait until the end of the second season. This show has very few episodes per season and it just seems like a separate article isn't required while there is still only as many episodes as a normal show would have in one season.  I also wish that there were screenshots or something to build a more comprehensive table to begin the sections.  --Torourkeus 22:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * On second thought, edits of the article do suggest that it is a bit too long. --Torourkeus 09:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * End of second season was what I was thinking too, but if someone splits it off before that since it's getting pretty long I wouldn't have any objections. --TM 12:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I just went ahead and made the switch. --Torourkeus 07:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Since there is a page for the episodes, do we still need the episodes listed on the main ASP page? Trcunning 14:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Can't help but notice that FX's official website lists "Charlie Got Molested" as S1E2, not S1E7. Can anyone verify this as true or false?? Brian Gunderson (talk) 23:37, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

More of a connection to Arrested Development
I guess I'm not seeing the Seinfeld connection that these critics are talking about. I am however seeing more of a connection to Arrested Development in regard to the tongue-in-cheek humor and issues. Also somewhat of a connection to Curb Your Enthusiasm but then again that is also very close to Seinfeld.

Seinfeld connections I've noticed
 * 4 friends, 3 guys and one girl
 * They are just generally bad or insensitive people
 * Best friend pair (Charlie and Mac/Seinfeld and George), although Dennis is also kind of close to Mac
 * Eccentric (Kramer and/or Charlie), although this isn't strong
 * Fairly successful male (Seinfeld/Dennis)
 * The biggest connection is that the four friends get into their misadventures out of their own goals and without concern for other people.

I know there are some similar elements. Though I noticed that the issues addressed are much more extreme. Seinfeld always seemed to dance around the issues and used dumbed-down language to get their point across. Don't get me wrong I'm a huge Seinfeld fan but I still don't see what critics see in their connection as far as the content. I see it as a completely different show.

I also notice that the sense of humor and directing style is a lot like Arrested Development. The main reason it is connected more to Seinfeld is that that's how it is promoted. Most likely because Arrested Development was not as big of a marketing success. --Torourkeus 09:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Top Image


I'd hate to do this because I really like it, but I think the image being used at the top is actually an image with copyright that would not allow it to be on Wikipedia. The copyright description claims it's of a DVD cover, but that's not the case because there is no DVD (nor has material been published for an upcoming DVD) for the show. I think the copyright given to the image is wrong. Even if it was a low res DVD cover, it's clearly a derivative of it and still wouldn't be acceptable. I suggest we look for promotional images from the show with copyright that allows us to use it here. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Thoughts? Roguegeek 19:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I've never been too good at dealing with images and their copyright status but I think you're right about the image's status (given that there is no dvd cover yet as you said). Getting other images is a good idea. --TM 20:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Political views
Should the political ideologies of key characters be added into their profiles? The abortion episode made it fairly clear that Dee held a liberal standpoint where Mac held a concervative one. Further, if one were to observe the show carefully, it seems that one would be able to determine the other character's ideologies, in which case these could be listed as well. Secondly, although this is speculation on my part, from the most recent episode (8/9/06) it seemed that Frank, Danny DeVito's character, held a libertarian standpoint, as he wanted as much freedom in the bar as possible, similar to how libertarians typically want limited government interference in buisness (I do not wish to sound biased against libertarianism, I am just making a comparitive obsevation).66.24.224.205 05:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's difficult to categorize them since their actions/opnions change in lots of episodes. Like with Mac, although he initially displays a bit a of religious conservativism in regard to abortion (but even there he ends up telling the girl to get one), he's fine with premarital sex and did start dating a pre-op transsexual, something most religious conservatives would frown on. And I'm not sure being pro-choice is enough to brand someone a liberal, or that being pro-choice is particularly necessary to mention in a character summary, but I guess it wouldn't hurt it either. And as you said, although Frank wanted limited government interference when he was profiting, it's not really enough to claim he's a libertarian, doing so would be pretty specualtive. I think most of the characters have so much self-interest they'd change their views depending on what benefits them, so pegging them with political ideologies seems problematic. --TM 05:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think if you guys want you should try to make new articles for all of the main characters. In the meantime I don't think it would hurt to give them some details.  I would avoid classifying them as liberal or conservative... but you could easily say that mac is conservative and dee is liberal.  Frank is the only exception, just because I think that a lot of his views seem extremely libertarian.  Again this is no insult to libertarianism, except to say maybe Frank is the worst example.  It is fairly obvious, however, that he is against government intervention in almost all forms. --Torourkeus 06:24, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I do remember Frank stating he believes Hillary Clinton "hates freedom", in the episode when the gang runs for an election. Also, in the internet episode, "Mac is a serial killer", he wishes to torture Mac with a chainsaw. When he is challenged on this, he calls his challengers something along the lines of "whiny liberals". This is all from memory, so I could be dead-wrong... but it's worth mentioning.

-matt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.121.91.224 (talk) 18:01, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It's problematic to assign political ideologies to characters who are essentially amoral and anti-intellectual. It's not clear that any character on the show has strong convictions about anything. A motif of the show is that the main characters dispense with any stated belief as soon as it becomes personally inconvenient. --D. Monack | talk 02:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Annoying Links
Please people, link things properly. In one of the episode descriptions "sleeping" was linked to death. The word dead is on the next line, just link that. Someone also linked a spoof of million dollar baby to that movie, when it probably would have been more proper to just say "the scene was spoofed from the movie Million Dollar Baby. Here's an example... Simply put, "... videotape, similar to [Videos of Osama bin Laden].--Torourkeus 06:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * "The guys start escalating their plans. with Mac and Dennis dressing up like Middle Eastern terrorists to make incoherent threats on [Videos of Osama bin Laden|videotape]."

Avatar images in profiles
I don't know what the policy is on these kinds of cycling pictures, but to me they appear just as advertisements. I would be in favour of removing them. --Lakeshark 09:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I was led to the talk page concerning them, too. I figured that they might've been placed by the show's creators or producers, an act which should be recorded in the article itself as an historic first, if true!
 * Sorry to burst your bubble but they weren't posted by anyone affiliated with the show, just another Wikipedia editor. If I recall correctly, the contributor also voiced their apprehension towards their suitability in the edit summary, so feel free to remove them. --TM 03:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I feel the same way about the pics so I'm taking them out. —dm (talk) 03:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Should we add some sort of pictures though? I feel that it would really spice it up a bit. Emptyskypetition 08:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Airing time
I'm not sure which is worse--this article or the show's official web site. But I could not find the air time for this show on either. When does it air? There's all this extraneous, useless information on both sites. But if you wanted to watch the show, you'd never know when to see it (presuming you even have this network)? PAWiki 21:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You do realize this isn't TV Guide, right? --TM 01:56, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Added Stuff
I added a bunch of stuff, I hope no one minds. My goal is to have IASP to be as comprehensive as the Lostwiki's and the Heroeswiki's. Emptyskypetition 04:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Third Season
According to IMDB(http://imdb.com/title/tt0792192/), episode one of season three has already aired and has been rated by fourteen people. Are these retards full of shit, or did the episode actually air?

I thought it was part of that publicity thing with myspace although the myspace page says it's a "Pre-Season Episode" Vdub49 03:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

show also aires in germany
the show is now running on the German "Comedy Central" (www.comedy-central.de) please add —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.154.16.200 (talk) 09:48, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

the pilot
i have read somewhere that the pilot floated around the internet and thats how it got started? how come i have never been able to find the pilot anywhere? 22:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

beacause once the show got popular it was deleted. duh! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.203.24.88 (talk) 17:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Themes
This section has some good information, but it needed some cleanup. I agree with the tag that says that it contains "unverified or original research." It just sounds like a one-sided fanboy rant and is written in an overly verbose way that contains much irrelevant information and unneeded examples. I condensed it. Second, the bullet form seems overly doctrinal for the section, and serves no real purpose. I made it more into a series of paragraphs. This was just a cursory cleanup and what the section really needs is the addition of sourced information from a variety of sources to balance it, rather than just one person's account of the show. Jcrav2k6 03:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * What it really, really needs is to be completely deleted as it is totally original research in its current form, and if enough can be found, rewritten using only sourced material. Sheep81 08:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Season 4? The guy from The Cosby Show?
Is there any word on a fourth season yet? Also, "Donovan Mcnabb" from "The gang gets invincible" was actually someone from The Cosby Show; his name is Geoffrey Owens. Someone should make note in the guest stars section. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0654369/

Diddydoobop 08:31, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

"Theme" section no good.
The "Themes" section is vague and trite. It includes no references, makes no conclusive assessments, and infers opinion as fact. Nothing is more of an oxymoron than over-analyzing a funny show; doesn't taking comedy seriously defeat the point? Cut that shit out, son. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmoss (talk • contribs) 21:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

"Penn"
I think that, when the characters say "Penn" in the show, they mean Penn State. However, the link for "Penn" in this article leads to the University of Pennsylvania. The University of Pennsylvania is an Ivy League school, and I find it very difficult to believe that either Dee or Dennis would've gone to an Ivy League school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Admiraltfear (talk • contribs) 22:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * They have a snobby, rich-kid background, which is supposed to comedically contrast with their low-rent lifestyle, so it's possible. Unless there are any episodes featuring them wearing old Penn State sweaters, I'd say we should leave it as it is. -Captain Crawdad (talk) 23:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

^ Agreed. If they meant Penn State, I'm sure they'd specify, there's quite a difference. 67.162.87.124 (talk) 07:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC) In Philadelphia there is very little debate over penn and penn state. Penn is the way Upenn students and alumni refer to the University of Penn. and Penn state is never referred to as Penn. People that refer to Penn as Upenn do not know the semantics of Philadelphia. They are referring to the University of Penn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.143.12 (talk) 05:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreeing with the above. No one in Philadelphia refers to Penn State as "Penn" --- students of both schools are offended if they are confused with students from the other school. That and PSU is hours away from the city. The-Bus (talk) 18:32, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I certainly don't find Dennis or Dee any less intelligent than the average university student. 66.38.169.238 (talk) 02:28, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Deandra vs. Diandra
BuddyTV lists "Diandra" and IMDb lists "Deandra" as the spelling of Dee's first name. Does anyone have any authoritative data as to which is correct? Alan smithee (talk) 07:36, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

"Generic music library"
Anyone know where the music is from for the transitions between scenes (the bicycle bell "song"). I heard it on an episode of Whitest Kids U Know, and I was curious as to what the origin was. --Tsunami643 (talk) 00:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

READ THIS!
I totally heard Jack Black in the season commercials! The one where they sing "fighters of the night man, ooaaaaaaoooooohh, talkin of the sun man, ooaaaaaaoooooohh, your a master of karate, and friendship" and it reads, "huffin paint, writin songs!" some thing should be written! -151.203.24.88 (talk) 17:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

NOTE: It's not Jack Black - it's from the episode "Sweet Dee's Dating a Retarded Person" in Season 3. It's "Dennis" and "Charlie" writing their "Dayman" song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.12.38 (talk) 04:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Lead Paragraph
Does anyone else find it a tad ridiculous to have that gargantuan list of the the controversial topics the series has "dealt" with? So maybe there have been a joke or two about nuclear proliferation in North Korea, but that list makes it seem like this show is Fareed Zakaria GPS when it is actually about lazy scheming bar owners who get drunk all the time. Personally I would just chop that entire list off and leave it at "The show is about four friends in their late 20s who run an unsuccessful Irish bar, "Paddy's Pub", in South Philadelphia." DanyaRomulus (talk) 18:33, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No. The absurdity of the way they (do not) deal with these issues is one of the ways they market the show. It's germane to the show's premise and thus important. ksofen666 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.208.23.113 (talk) 03:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. -Captain Crawdad (talk) 18:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

That long list is so absurd I thought it was vandalism when I first saw it. I've never seen them market the show as touching on those "controversial and sensitive" topics. If the intent of the paragraph is to make note of how vain, indifferent, and insensitive the main characters are, then it should say that. Just saying the show "touches" on all those things is incredibly misleading. Ronniebactionhero (talk) 21:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Informal Tone
Is it just me, or does this page in general have a bit of a problem with its tone? It seems very informal to me, not really in grammar or punctuation, but in choice of vocabulary? If anyone has any thoughts on it... Idet.proverka (talk) 01:49, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Filmed in Philly?
I haven't been able to find if the show is filmed in Philly or not, like where the bar is, and such. Anybody else stumble on this anywhere? --AW (talk) 22:20, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You might want to try the show's blog, but I recall reading somewhere that it's mostly filmed around LA. -Captain Crawdad (talk) 23:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Capt. Craw is right, though they do travel to Philly each year/season to film some key outdoor scenes. Actually, one of the radio stations has a "Sunny watch" where they have people call in to let others know where they are filming that day. My friend called me the one day early in the morning to get me to go down, but I had a couple important meetings that day :( -- moe.RON   Let's talk  23:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * According to the commentary on one of the episodes (I don't remember what episode or season), though they shot most of the exteriors in Philly, the bar is located in Los Angeles.72.81.14.161 (talk) 19:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * True, the bar can be seen on Google Street View Dalboz (talk) 04:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Other locales
I went ahead and removed Temple University as one of the other locales. There have been Temple flags in shots around city hall, but they've never filmed on Temple's campus. Correct me if I'm wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edwizard1 (talk • contribs) 22:03, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Granted, I don't know what Temple University looks like but wasn't there a scene that was supposedly at Temple in The Gang Gets Racist, where Charlie and Mac go to find black friends? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.170.188 (talk) 07:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

A character in that episode mentions that his "sister goes to Temple". They do go to a school and meet his sister, but that scene is not shot at Temple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.114.118.30 (talk) 01:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Carmen
Doesn't this article incorrectly credit the actress who plays Carmen? It says that Brittany Daniel played the role, but wasn't it Morena Baccarin? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.40.248 (talk) 03:52, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No, that is Brittney Daniel. See . 72.81.14.161 (talk) 19:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Brittany Daniel played Carmen during the regular run of the show, but Baccarin was cast in the original pilot episode which was never aired. Does that deserve mentioning in the article? The role is alreadly listed on the "Morena Baccarin" wikipedia page.

Look under the "special features" heading: [] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.40.248 (talk) 03:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

"Public domain" music
In the "Music" section, there's an assertion that the theme music is "public domain." There's no source for it, and it's confusing -- while it's possible that the song itself isn't copyrighted, it's impossible that the recording (or almost any music recording) is in the public domain per U.S. copyright law. We need clarification/sourcing here, and I'm not sure where to get it, as I don't know where this particular fact came from. Thoughts?  Graymornings (talk) 00:56, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Grammar and Sentence Structure Changes
If no one objects I am going to go through the main page and try to correct all of the grammar and sentence structure flaws that are overtly prevalent throughout the text. I would also like to solve the current issue regarding what I consider to be a sub-par use of vocabulary.

I will not change any of the facts or information pertaining to the show itself. My only goal is to make the page grammatically and verbally sound. Therefore, by correcting certain "sloppy" sentence structures, improper grammar usage, and certain mediocre choices in terminology I feel the IASIP page will attain a far more "professional" feel conducive to traditional encyclopedia articles.

I will try to avoid using overly grandiose verbosity (like the word "verbosity" for example) while still avoiding words that your average philistine could understand. I will instead use terms that fall within a happy medium, such as those that a reasonably intelligent college freshman could easily comprehend.

Again, I reiterate my promise that no details other than grammatical/semantical errors will be corrected or changed in this process. If, after I have finished my corrections you notice any mistakes I may have overlooked then feel free to either correct them yourself or message me directly, and I will gladly do my best to take care of the problem.

My understanding of grammar rules is far from perfect, but I feel (and I'm not trying to sound cocky) that I do have an above-average grasp on the aforementioned topic. If I do happen to get stuck on a certain grammatical issue (comma placement, use of quotations, etc.) then I have zero qualms about doing research myself on the subject or accepting help/input from those nice enough to offer it.

If I do come to discern that any falsified information regarding IASIP is present within the text I will create a new discussion topic detailing my findings before I take it upon myself to incite any changes within the text.

P.S. I will wait for input from others before I initiate this "overhaul" of sorts. Also, I would definitely appreciate any and all help that might encourage faster completion of this potentially time-consuming task. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sovryn (talk • contribs) 11:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Needs section on critical reception
If anyone gets the time to write up a section on how the show has been received by critics.... Aristophanes68 (talk) 06:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

babelfish
This article reads like it was translated from another language. The syntax is extremely awkward and the vocabulary is bizarre and inappropriate. Also, nearly every paragraph is made up of random observations about the show and descriptions of what kinds of clothes the characters sometimes wear, and what one of them said to another one time. It doesn't make any sense. How did it get this bad? -- Gohome00 (talk) 06:08, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Yup, it has terrible flow in some parts and contains random adjectives scattered throughout, some quite critical and harsh. RuntimeError101 (talk) 02:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

"SunnyPhilly"
The opening line of the article claims that the show is also referred to as "SunnyPhilly". This was recently added back to the article after being previously removed. I've never heard this term be used for the show even in passing discussion, and a Google search for the term only brings up this article and some rapidshare links after suggesting you meant "Sunny Philly". Unless someone can find a source where a member of the primary cast or a passage from an official press release refers to it as "SunnyPhilly", I believe the label should remain absent from the article as it doesn't seem to have any notable use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.69.46.4 (talk) 15:01, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

The show is often simply referred to "It's Always Sunny", omitting end of the name. This should be added to the article somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.39.0.200 (talk) 19:52, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Its relatively common for the show to go by IASIP which appears to be missing as well.--71.142.59.7 (talk) 02:31, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Character List
A list of characters with brief descriptions would be a nice addition to this article. Does anyone have any objections? -- Skaijo 00:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Not me, I was thinking the same thing. --TM 00:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Vanessa... the waitresses name is Vanessa.

I don't watch the show, but if you check out: http://www.discountcruisetohell.com/Cast.htm#mary it lists the characters name as being Vanessa when saying she's a part of the series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.247.100.121 (talk) 06:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought I heard the corporate guy from season 3 episode 7, The Gang Sells Out, call the waitress something like kearley. Can I get a confirmation on that from someone? --Pengutron (talk) 02:53, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Please. Do not name the waitress. She must remain unnamed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.137.140.228 (talk) 15:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

In the character list it says that Sweet Dee is called the female "Larry Bird" for her lack of talent. That must have been written by a non-American, because it doesn't make sense. Larry Bird was a superstar basketball player. She was called "the female Larry Bird" in reference to her height and unattractiveness (from the gang's fraternally teasing point of view.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.232.154.66 (talk) 00:48, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Number of episodes
Does the Christmas special count as an episode? If not, the episode count as of the end of Season 5 would be 57, not 58. – Zone46 (talk) 14:55, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * yes it counts as an episode. It was one of the production episodes for the season, it just was made uncensored and released only to DVD  for the time being, but it is one of the production episodes and counts in the season total. Grande13 (talk) 15:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Thrice?
Watching episodes now, Thrice stickers are littered all over the bar; is this worth mentioning at all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.109.152.239 (talk) 13:44, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Music
I removed the line about the music striking a contrast w/ the chaotic nature of the show. It sounded like original research. Unless that proposition can be backed up by some source (i.e. an interview) wherein one of the actors, producers, etc. lends support to this view, it is nothing more than one Wikipedia user's thoughts about the music selection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.148.138 (talk) 21:47, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

"Psychologically speaking"?
That line seemed really out of place (and wasn't referenced to boot) so I removed it. The section is an overview of the show and the characters, not a psyche evaluation. 134.117.251.5 (talk) 18:49, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Reputable Reviews
The line: "The show received excellent reviews from internet blogs, though few reputable reviews are available online" seems poorly phrased. Saying that a review is disreputable is POV. I think it would work better as "The show received excellent reviews from internet blogs, though few reviews from large media organizations are available online". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.169.13.118 (talk) 13:25, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

"The Gang Gets Raped"?
An episode with this title is mentioned in the article, but not in the list of episodes. What's this about? 88.74.30.215 (talk) 21:46, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Personality Descriptors
In the synopsis it explains why "The Gang" is filled with horrible people, but the number of ways used to describe it seems lengthy. Perhaps we could shorten it to sociopathic with a few other details? Currently it seems like it's rambling a bit.

Manic0892 (talk) 04:09, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Done. Ceoil  14:22, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Dennis Bloodthirst
I've noticed that Dennis's dialogue sometimes seems to indicate the personality of a psychopath; in the episodes "Mac is a Serial Killer," "Mac and Dennis: Manhunters," and "The Gange Exploits the Mortgage Crisis" he openly talks about killing others, and seems to derive pleasure from it. Also, in "The Gang Buys a Boat", Dennis repeatedly refers to taking the girls out to the open waters so "they are forced to comply" with his and Mac's wishes.

They all seem to have bloodthirst at one point or another. Dee talks about her plan to kill off Dennis and possibly Frank to inherit his money in "The Gang Solves the Gas Crisis". Charlie talks of killing Mac in "Mac and Charlie Die". Also, in "The Gang is held Hostage" they are all plotting to kill each other. So I don't think this is unique to Dennis. 214.27.58.1 (talk) 06:21, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Homages to Seinfeld
What about a section that makes references to the series Seinfeld? This series has been labelled as "Seinfeld on Crack" and throughout the series there appear to be some references to the series Seinfeld. One such instance is in the episode "America's Next Top Paddy's Billboard Model Contest" one of the contestant's names is Rochelle, which promps Mac to say "Rochelle, Rochelle" which was a movie and later a musical referenced in Seinfeld. 214.27.58.1 (talk) 06:16, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Synopsis
The "synopsis" is the best part of the ALWAYS SUNNY wikipedia article. Its author is a literary genius not unlike Homer or the unknown Hebrew poets of the Old Testament. It should remain intact and free from vandalism. -W — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.210.161.169 (talk) 02:23, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

"Longest running live action comedy"
In Production, it says: "On August 6, 2011, FX announced it had picked up the show for an additional two seasons (the show's eighth and ninth) running through 2013, which will make it the longest-running live-action comedy in basic cable history. There is also an option for a tenth season. [8]"

Is this source correct? For example refer to this: http://itthing.com/10-longest-running-tv-sitcoms-of-all-time Friends according to this and IMDB had 10 seasons - which is longer than the nine seasons It's Always Sunny would have. Zayniac (talk) 04:05, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Zayniac, it seems like you're not picking up on the idea of "basic cable". "Basic cable", as far as I know, would exclude the type of free broadcast networks that anyone with (it used to be an antenna, and maybe kind of still is, but you have to have some kind of converter) can get.  Those channels would be the big four of ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox.  "Friends" aired on NBC, and therefore the claim might be accurate, as long as it includes that caveat.  --luckymustard (talk) 20:12, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Pop Culture influence
What about a section that discusses the influence the show as has on pop culture? The section could discuss the impact of the character greenman other various references to the show such as charlie work, flipadelphia, and gale the snail. In addition to the referenced terms, there could also be links to the its always sunny t-shirts that are sold on the FX Website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ATKTA (talk • contribs) 23:52, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Dennis' Page
There is a page for the other four main characters but I can't find one for Dennis Reynolds. The link just redirects you to the main list of characters from the show. Could someone who knows more about the show than I do write one up? 69.125.134.86 (talk) 18:56, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Seasons by Air date and Ratings
Does anyone think it would be beneficial to have a chart that list both the date each episode aired and the ratings for each episode? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ATKTA (talk • contribs) 00:06, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There is already a List of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia episodes as well as individual articles for each season. It would be redundant to add that info here. ChakaKongtalk 16:17, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

yes ChakaKong but it should be included on the same page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ATKTA (talk • contribs) 23:37, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Main character profiles
I think it makes a lot of sense that wikipedia describes the main disorders of these protagonists, given that the main attraction of the show is their sociopathic behavior. However, I see some flaws:


 * I don't think Dennis is more sociopathic than the rest and I think he's actually the less histrionic.

What It's safe to say:


 * All of them are sociopaths.
 * Dennis is narsissistic, selfish, vain and the most persuasive.
 * Charlie has the most volatile temperment, impulssive behavior and has learning disabilities. He's the poorest and has the lowest ambitions to the point that he seems comfortable with his own stench. However, he seems to be the most selfless member of the gang.
 * Mac has the most irrealistic perception of himself, he developes body dysmorphic disorder. He keeps trying to impress people with his fake toughness and by claiming leadership in order to get recognition, even though he's a mean person and a coward.
 * Frank started as the most greedy, cruel, mean, violent, manipulative and exploitative. However, he has left class and materialistic lifestyle to feel more comfortable.

--20-dude (talk) 21:18, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Details
Deandra is emotionally abandoned. Psycho pete (only mentioned) is the psychopath (it appears the other characters got their characteristics from). The letters in RCG productions looks like it stands for Rob Charlie Glen, all three are in the production still. Sidelight 12 Talk 11:27, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

also known as
Nobody ever calls it "Always Sunny" or just "sunny".

Can you recall the last time someone came to you and said "HEY!!! Do you like Sunny?".

I know that being a hardcore wiki editor places you in the top 0.00000000001% of earthly intellectuals, but book smarts is much different than street smarts.

Try using these AKA's on someone you know, or don't know. See if they InstantlyUnderstand(tm) what the hell you're talking about. FlounderPants (talk) 23:07, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

^^^False. Many people call it "It's Always Sunny". Maybe not where you live, but people do say that in some places. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.166.120 (talk) 22:24, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

^^^ I agree with the unsigned comment above. "Always Sunny" is a commonly used abbreviation amongst a number of fans. "Sunny" wouldn't surprise me either. Dramamoose (talk) 19:31, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Is this supposed to be neutral?
Where is my template for "severely judgmental tone not entirely consistent with the goals of an encyclopedia"?--Worthywords (talk) 19:23, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * What's not "neutral"? Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:33, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I, too, am not understanding your issue. Joshua Garner (talk) 06:21, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Season 11 due in January 2016
Heyo. Not an Editor beyond removing vandalism or fixing a typo sometimes so I'm unaware of the full procedure here, and whether or not Twitter is a valid source but I was googling to see if there's news about when the next season starts and found this saying January 2016. Thought someone might wanna work it in somewhere. Cheers! 71.36.161.98 (talk) 23:50, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Heyyyoo! This is one of the rare cases where Twitter actually is a valid source; as the account is verified with Twitter it can be considered as a self-published source. However, since there are already secondary sources discussing the new season premiering in January (like this one), it's always better to use those. I'm actually going to encourage you to do it, because we could always use more editors who know how to pay the troll toll. Here's an example:

The eleventh season will premiere in January 2016.
 * Regards, Orange Suede Sofa  (talk) 00:57, 29 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Looks like someone beat me to it. :] Ah well, got me to make an account (I think I had one before but seem to have lost it in the internet ether...) Thanks for the info anyway. Codegavran (talk) 00:04, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Workaholics Crossover.
It appears as if there will be a crossover with Workaholics and It's Always Sunny by the look of this tweet posted by Glenn. Npamusic (talk) 02:56, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Dennis, Dee, and Penn
Wasn't it Dee who dropped out of Penn? I thought Dennis graduated. I could be wrong but I have gotten the sense that Dennis was there longer than a semester. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.0.18 (talk) 02:31, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Dennis Reynolds
Why is he the only main character without an articles? He's obviously just as notable as the rest of them. Mrmoustache14 (talk) 01:49, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Would like to ask about this also. I might just make one for him. -- HughMorris15 (talk) 09:43, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Mac comes out.
The article states that Mac comes out in the episode "Hero or Hate Crime" doesn't he come out in the season 11 episode "The Gang goes to Hell"?

Can anyone validate this and if so, update this? Golde62 (talk) 20:45, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

He does come out in that episode, but it is short lived. In "The Gang goes to Hell: Part 2" he declares he is straight again. It is only after "Hero or Hate Crime" that he comes out and remains openly gay for the rest of the series.

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Why do Mac, Charlie, and Dee have their own articles?
There are five main characters in this show. Three of them have their own articles — Charlie Kelly (It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia), Mac (It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia), and Deandra Reynolds. Frank Reynolds (It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia) and Dennis Reynolds don't have pages — they both used to, but now redirect.

Why is this? What makes three of the main characters notable, while two others aren't? I'd think either all or none should have their own articles, unless something is very exceptional about one. DemonDays64 (talk) 06:12, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * See Articles for deletion/The It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia characters—all of them had consensus to be redirected to List of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia characters in 2007, and no new discussion was opened to reverse this consensus. All should be redirected. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 16:05, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

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Organization
This article could be organized much better to allow it to be more concise and give the info you need quicker. The list of episodes should come after the production and broadcast contents as that would help the audience, most people that come to this webpage want background on the show itself and do not need the list of episodes in the front. --Gcamp02 (talk) 21:27, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


 * This! In my most recent edit, I renamed the "Premise" section as "Plot" and made a subheading called Premise under Plot because there's just far too much information under the main heading that's way beyond the scope of a Premise. I had no idea what to call the leftover subsection, so it's under Plot > "Idiosyncrasies" for now, but truthfully, I think that whole subheading can just be cut straight away. It just goes into far too much irrelevant and repetitive detail about the gang's behaviour, and it's not really appropriate for a more general article like this, I think.
 * The character descriptions under Cast and Characters are way too long (and some of this stuff really belongs in their own separate character articles). I've been removing spoiler for Season 15 and even spoilers like Mac's full name because I don't think they're essential information and because I imagine new viewers might skim this article before they start watching the show. There's so much more that can be cut still, but I didn't want to go overboard just yet.
 * Finally, the Production section doesn't read well at all. Would it benefit from being split up into (sub)sections, say Creation or Development and then Production? Also, is it just me or does this article use too many quotes? (See Production and Music) DarkStar the Contractor (talk) 06:53, 24 July 2022 (UTC)