Talk:It's Grim Up North

GA reassessment
I'm reviewing this article for GA sweeps. After reading through it, I do not believe it meets current GA criteria for the following reasons:
 * The rationale for the music vid image and the sound clips aren't very good, and I would argue they are not needed in the article at all.
 * The composition and locations sections are unreferenced.
 * No list of personnel (the album wikiproject can give more detail on that requirement)
 * Many of the sentences in Context need to be sourced but aren't.

Due to where the article is now and where it should be, I think it would take longer than a week to properly handle it, and as such I am delisting it now as a GA. When all this is fixed up, it can be renominated at GAN. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 06:07, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the taking the time to review.


 * The video image to me is priceless as it conveys the scene of the video - grey, drab, drizzle - better than any prose ever could. I have retained the image and have improved the caption and the fair use rationale
 * The quality of the audio clips comes down to personal opinion; I have removed from the article (and deleted) the second sample, and retained the first as it gives the reader (or listener in this case) a flavour of the piece which just cannot be matched by prose. I have updated the fair use rationale.
 * Composition is mostly a description of what the song sounds like. It seems like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't with regards to describing the composition; I had another GA rejected in part for not doing so! I've been recently informed by a well-known FA reviewer that citations are not needed at all for a description of the song itself, even for an FA, but that Cite AV media could be used if desired. That's what I've done for the lyrics and in the "Composition" section, once for each track covered.
 * The unreferenced statements in the section now named "Theme" were mostly about the video, to which the same arguments apply and which are now referenced in the same fashion
 * Statements that "The original issue featuring Pete Wylie was on grey vinyl", "punctuated The KLF's string of upbeat house hits" are now referenced.
 * We can see that "the same colour was retained for the sleeve of the 1991 release" as it is pictured
 * Personnel: The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu (not sure what this has to do with the Albums WikiProject though; this is an article about a single). I've added it, but its value is debatable as all songs were written, performed and produced by Cauty and Drummond, with no further delineation, and this info was already extant in the infobox.
 * The locations listed are... the locations mentioned in the song, in order. I've cited the song and added a reference to a map plotting the towns and cities mentioned. "Scarborough is the furthest north of the towns mentioned, and the furthest south is Nantwich." was possibly original research; I have removed it.

Further changes I was not asked to make but have done anyway:
 * I've introduced a Background section
 * I've moved some sections. I'm quite happy for anyone to go ahead and reorder the sections if they think I didn't get it quite right.
 * Copyedit

--kingboyk (talk) 02:50, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

I have submitted for a re-review. Reviewer if you need my attention, please ping me. --kingboyk (talk) 02:57, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

One thing I forgot to do, which have now done as I know that reviewers prefer longer leads these days, was to expand the lead. --kingboyk (talk) 13:54, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Oldham, Lancs (Lancaster),
The reference to Lancs as an abbreviation for Lancaster, in the list of places, is probably erroneous.

Obviously Lancs is much more commonly used as an abbreviation of Lancashire not Lancaster, but more importantly, it's position in the list after Oldham is relevant.

Whilst Oldham is now part of Greater Manchester, its residents (especially the older generation) associate themselves with being Lancastrian not Mancuian. In my youth, "Oldham, Lancs (or Lancashire)" was a petty defiance towards the 1974 boundary changes. Even in the 90s, Oldham Athletic football fans would sing "we're not part of Manchester" and "Oh Lancashire, is wonderful". 147.161.166.192 (talk) 09:09, 10 July 2023 (UTC)