Talk:It's a Small World/Archive 1

Remodeling because of fatness
The recent remodeling is being done because of people being too overweight.

Disneyland is increasing the deepness of the water, so that the boats do not get stuck in the water due to excessive weight.

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/fortune/0712/gallery.101_dumbest.fortune/13.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp0 (talk • contribs) 12:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Walt Disney World
I chose to remove the at Walt Disney World section of the article again as although the information is correct, Walt Disney World is a resort - hence the proper name Walt Disney World Resort - and I agree that Walt Disney World is more recognisable than the Magic Kingdom but if you insist on placing at Walt Disney World after the Magic Kingdom, firstly it should be at Walt Disney World Resort and secondly all of the other corresponding resorts should be added after the other theme parks, for example Disneyland at Disneyland Resort, Tokyo Disneyland at Tokyo Disney Resort. I hope you can see my point. :) --Speedway 12:15, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * I think adding "Walt Disney World" after Magic Kingdom is appropriate because, unlike Disneyland or Tokyo Disneyland, it's not as obvious where "Magic Kingdom" is. (I remember when, after Epcot opened, you had to explain the difference between "Disney World" and "the Magic Kingdom"; I may be incorrectly assuming that people might still be unclear on the difference between the two.) &mdash;tregoweth 19:21, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * No, I completely see your point of view! Its just that this is an encyclopedia and if people chose to click on Magic Kingdom it would tell them it is in Walt Disney World. You are correct, its just that the encyclopedia is quite formal and if you explain where one park is, the same goes with all the others. Sorry for the inconvenience, you haven't done anything wrong. --Speedway 19:37, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Lyrics
I don't know if it's appropriate to add it on the main page since the main page focus on the Disneyland, anyway here is the Cantonese version of the song:

人人常歡笑 不要眼淚掉  (Everyone smiles always, don't cry with tears)

時時懷希望 不必心裡跳  (Have hope at any time, with no fear in your heart)

在那人世間 相助共濟    (And let's help each other in this earth)

應知人間小得俏         (For we all should aware that the world is small)

Chorus: 世界真細小小小 (It's a small small world)

小得真奇妙妙妙         (Although small, how amazing it is)

實在真係細世界         (It's really a small world)

嬌小而妙俏             ([It is] Small and fun)

柔柔陽光照 兼有朗月耀  (There is warm sunshine, there is bright moonlight)

良朋同歡聚 相依相對笑  (Friends join and laugh together)

萬里難隔阻 心裡情長照  (Even miles away our hearts still shine at each other)

應知人間小得俏         (For we all know that the world is just that small)

(Chorus)

夜裡群星照 反照世事妙  (Stars shine at night, show that how amazing things are)

奇妙人間樂 我地樂遙遙  (And we are joyful in this world)

在那人世間 守望相看    (So let's help each other in this earth)

應知人間小得俏         (For we all should aware that the world is small)

(Chorus)

遙遙人相隔 心裡不相焦  (Though we are far apart, we aren't anxious about that)

萬里連心路 用愛造長橋  (Our love as a bridge[link] for a thousand-miles long road)

路遙難隔阻 千里共你我他 (Showing that you and me and s/he can't be far apart)

應知人間小得俏         (For we all know that the world is just that small)

(Chorus)

Sorry for my bad translation (hope someone can help polishing it), actually it is a very good and meaningful translation which keeps the song's original meaning. This Chinese (Cantaonese, not Mandarin) version is well-known is Hong Kong. There may be versions in Putonghua or Mandarin in China or Taiwan, but I'm not sure about that. One last thing to add, It's Mr. James Wong (1941-2004), a really talented artist in many aspects wrote this piece of lyric.


 * I see on Wong Jim that he was credited with the song, I guess this version will go into Hong Kong Disneyland's version of the ride? -- blm07 09:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Song lyrics are copyright and we shouldn't post them without permission. Strictly they shouldn't be posted even on a talk page. 199.71.183.2 18:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Languages
If anyone knows what specific languages are used on the ride, that would be a great thing to add to the article. -Branddobbe


 * I couldn't find anything official, but this page says English, Spanish, Italian, Japanese and Swedish. -- Djinn112


 * I seem to remember a great deal more than that. -Branddobbe 05:10, Jan 28, 2004 (UTC)


 * In DL, MK, and TDL it is sung in the five languages mentioned above, English is sung in a couple of different accents. I'd like to add the songs in each language to my page here. Samples of the four other languages are on my page, can anyone transcribe them? Disneyland Paris may be a different story, its sung in French for the finale, but I'm not sure about what else. -- blm07  09:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to the Disney Music forum, the Italian, Japanese and Spanish versions have been put up on my page. I'm thinking the article here on Wikipedia may have to be split up since the Paris version is vastly different from the other versions. For instance it says the Europe room has Dutch, Spanish, and French and in Africa there are vocals which aren't true for the American and Tokyo rides. Also, Scandinavia isn't a separate room. There are other differences as well. -- blm07 09:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I've started a new section for Paris and added the citation template to a couple of the languages mentioned in the article since I've never heard of them being in the ride. They might possibly be in the Paris version, so I've left them in case someone else knows and can move them to the Paris section. -- blm07 04:06, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Clock & sound system
I have yet to see a clock that told the time in words. Do you mean Roman numerals or Arabic numerals? Chinese, Egyptian? Rmhermen 21:17, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)


 * Oh, come on. If I asked you to write the time using numerals, you would write "21:17" or "9:17", wouldn't you? I don't think anyone would entertain the idea that the time would (or could) be written "XXI:XVII" or with other number systems unless it was specifically stated. If the clock had hands, I'd have to mention whether it used Roman or Arabic numerals.  GUllman 21:56, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * You never mentioned that the clock didn't have hands. How are the numbers displayed? Rmhermen 13:26, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it guess it does have a rather unique way of displaying time. I'll try again and take suggestions from others who have seen it. GUllman 21:47, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hey! Do you see the change? I know that the renovations will include a state-of-the-art sound system. You know what that means? AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! MAKE IT STOP!! WikiPediaAid

The new sound system has long since been implemented...I worked a testing shift while they converted the Holiday soundtrack over to the new sound system's media in Oct '03 Andysund 21:22, 10 November 2006

Most performed song
"the most performed and translated song on earth". We'd need a citation for that, especially given the competition from Happy Birthday to You. DJ Clayworth 21:37, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Got your citation. Currently this article has no outstanding citations neededEagle talk 05:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Just a note, the citation is to a statement made by one of the song's writers. One could assume that he is somewhat biased.  Furthermore, in his statement there is little quantitative evidence given, except that it is "featured on an amusement park ride which plays non-stop, 16 hours a day on an endless loop in four (soon to be five) locations worldwide" and "Since 1983, there has not been a moment when "It's A Small World" wasn't playing in at least two locations on the globe."
 * With evidence like this, the statement that this is "the most performed and translated song on earth" can not be taken seriously. Kid Bugs 03:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, has anyone made the same claim about another song? "Happy Birthday to You" is sung privately, but it is rarely performed in public since it is still under copyright. GUllman 22:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * According to QI Nokia's ringtone "Grand Valse" has overtaken Happy Birthday to you as most performed song 88.107.111.39 (talk) 01:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

"it's a small world" song cover
Not really sure if this should go in the article or not (I'm guessing not, but at least it's something to maybe note here), but Kumi Koda and Heartsdales did a cover of the song on Kumi's album secret. --66.31.12.62 02:21, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Picture of Sherman Brothers and Walt
The picture of the Sherman Brothers and Walt is not from it's a small world but There's a Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow demo in a film made for General Electric, sponsor of the Carousel of Progress attraction; should this picture be attached to this article?

Jvsett 17:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If it is indeed not from "it's a small world" then it should be removed from the article, as it wouldn't have any relevence to the article. --Andysund 02:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Terrible formatting
I really do not like the formatting for the section titled "Attraction facts and figures". The previous picture takes up so much space and, right under the title, you get numerous lines of nothing. This really has to be fixed.--AcademicBrain314159265 01:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

"it's a small world" → It's a Small World — Assuming that this is a trademark of Disney, this should follow the capitalization guidelines of WP:MOS-TM: "Lowercased trademarks with no internal capitals should always be capitalized." If not a trademark, the proposed title still follows standard capitalization for proper nouns. Dekimasu よ! 13:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Survey

 * Add  # Support   or   # Oppose   on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~ .  Please remember that this is not a vote; comments must include reasons to carry weight.


 * Oppose. The main It's a Small World should be used as a title for the article on the song. Georgia guy 14:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, there isn't an article on the song. This would still need to be moved to a compliant title. Dekimasu よ! 14:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Support, per nom. - Cyrus XIII 18:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination. —  AjaxSmack     02:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Support the official name is "it's a small world" but nobody else than Disney use it. We could only mentionned in the article what's the official name but for easier research the article must be named It's a Small World. I would informed you that the french name is with simple quote insted of double-quote...--Gdgourou 08:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Indifferent, I think it's fine where it is, but if its against the guidelines, then maybe it should be moved. I do however believe it should be "it's a small world" at the top of the infobox (and however it is around the world in the other infoboxes). I don't think there is a article for the song, so it is mentioned in this article. -- blm07 08:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, precedent, and the mos (er, MoS). Disney's typographic preference could be mentioned in the opening, but, it should be capitalized per WP style throughout the rest of the article. Neier 09:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 13:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Does that look weird to anyone else? Powers T 14:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it looks weird to me too, since the name of the ride is always lower case in literature by and about Disneyland. Although I know we should teach correct grammar, I couldn't think of a better excuse to disregard the rules than "C'mon, it looks so cute and childlike" or "The title is a self-reference joke -- the 'I' is small, get it?" without citing an official reason why lower case was used. GUllman 22:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hana no Ko Lunlun
I recently added an entry to the popular culture section in regards to the similarities between the It's a Small World theme song, and the main hook to the theme of the Japanese anime Hana no Ko Lunlun. I can't provide a citation for this because it's my understanding that links to sites such as YouTube are not allowed on Wikipedia. If you look around there, you will find it. This is really the best I can do. I'm sorry if it's not good enough. Brittany Ka 20:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Most performed song
I changed the entry to read 'claimed to be the most performed song'. The reference documents very well that Sherman thinks it is the most performed song, but it certainly doesn't show that any unbiased person agrees with him. Frankly I find his logic highly faulty. Sure, IASWAA may have been performed more times than Yesterday; but has it really been performed more times than Happy Birthday to You? Or The Star Spangled Banner?

Just by my own calculation, if IASWAA is played every two minutes at five venues then it's performed about 2000 times a day. In the US alone nearly a million people have birthdays every day, and there are many tens of thousands of schools who probably sing the Star Spangled Banner. 199.71.183.2 18:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the song's loop lasts about 50 seconds, and the parks are normally open for about 13 hours a day. There are only 4 IASW rides open, and the song is played in 10 or 11 separate places in each ride. So if the song is played 10 times every minute for 13 hours a day, that is 7800 times a day in each attraction. Wouldn't that make it about 31200 times a day total? No, I have no way of knowing if it really is the most performed song, yes, I am bored. -- blm07 18:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'm pretty sure the 50 second version is played throughout the attraction and the 2 minute version is played only during the finale. -- blm07 19:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

So as a compromise, I'm changing it to read "What would disputably be known as..." There is really no way to verify anything about Happy Birthday or The Star Spangled Banner, however I highly doubt the Star Spangled Banner gets performed near as much. As for the length of the song in the attraction, it only uses a 60 second version throughout the entire attraction (I was a trainer on the attraction in Disneyland as well as a Subject Matter Expert for it). The version in the Finale is the same length, just a different order in the lyrics. The other thing you have to take into account is that the attraction's soundtrack is run at various times after park closing as well, for attraction testing, sound recalibrations, general maintenance, and an attraction ride through that is a required part of the opening procedures. All in all, the song is played and heard by someone a lot more than people realize. So just like Happy Birthday to You, it's impossible to measure (While in the United States alone there are nearly a million birthdays every day, you can’t honestly say that everyone who has a birthday gets sung that song.) As far as the most translated song, this goes without saying simply because birthdays are celebrated differently throughout the world, and I don't seem to remember hearing anything about "Happy Birthday to You" in my ethnomusicology class as being a staple in world-wide musical culture (Yes, I’m a music education major). However, considering the very nature of the song "It's a Small World," the song demands it’s translation into several languages simply for placement within the attraction, not to mention the popular arrangements for choral music. This makes the song even more justifiable as being the most translated song, as well as more performed. Additionally, Disney songs in general are considered as a popular modern sub-genre that is heavily translated and arranged for different languages and cultures. Just some food for thought. Andysund 07:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I cleaned up the paragraph a bit and added a cite from disney A to Z about the song being one of the well known by Disney. Hope it helps... Belwig (talk) 04:11, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Disneyland version closed pending upgrades/renovations
The Disneyland one is currently closed. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It was closed due for it's annual holiday transition and is open again. The major refurb occurs in early January. LordBleen (talk) 20:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've removed most of the paragraph about the closure since it's always difficult to accurately describe the changes that will happen on a rehab and that sort of info is speculative at best. I did provide two cites to active links (the one that was there is dead): one from disneyland.com itself pronouncing the closure and another from the AP (via hollywoodreporter.com) describing the rehab. Belwig (talk) 04:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Muse Song - "Invincible"
Would it be worth mentioning that the music video for the song Invincible by the English group Muse has a very Small World-esque feel to it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible_(song)#Music_video --220.237.136.224 (talk) 22:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Global peace?
I think it could be argued that that song's theme better describes global harmony/unity rather than global peace, as mentioned in the first paragraph. Even disneyland's ride page mentions it (http://disneyland.disney.go.com/disneyland/en_US/parks/attractions/detail?name=itsasmallworldAttractionPage). Any thoughts? Belwig (talk) 04:28, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Disneyland renovations and reverting
Various people keep reverting the paragraph about the controversy of adding Disney figures into the Anaheim version of the attraction. I did not add the original blurb but I DID find a reference to it. This is a notable event and should *not* be removed from this article at very least without discussing it here first. Any continued removing it without achieving consensus here first will meet with my continued reverting it back. Let's play by the rules, kids. --Rehcsif (talk) 19:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * While mostly everyone appreciates editing zeal, let's also keep the rules about ownership and not biting the newcomers in mind. We need all the editors we can get! Isaacsf (talk) 20:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you're saying. I'm simply asking that people not remove referenced material without discussing it here first.  Sorry if I sound frustrated but this has happened repeatedly over this same blurb.  --Rehcsif (talk) 20:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I got your frustration..I've found that sometimes you just have to let it go and come back to it a week later. No sense getting your feathers up. Again - unless it's vandalism, it's probably better to encourage new users rather than vent at them. And sometimes, you put in an edit that just gets lost and there's not much you can do about it but move on. My two cents! Isaacsf (talk) 21:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

The rumors are over. Marty Sklar himself responded to the rumors. No removal of scenes, but characters will be added. Reference added to article. -- blm07 16:55, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The rumors are over all right, but not for the better, according to this article here: . However, as no sources are named, the amount of "truth" actually involved is mysterious. And it's on Disney Gossip, where the slogan is, "Because sometimes you have to vent!" Take the article's words with a grain of salt. 64.30.105.122 (talk) 06:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

ride through videos
I've added links to ride through videos in the external links section. If you know of better examples, please update the tags but let's stick to complete ride through videos, they have more of an encyclopedic value that some of the clips that are available on youtube.

Add date of opening?
The actual opening day date is posted for most of the different versions of the ride at different parks. However, the one for Disneyland Anahime is just listed as "may" - Today, @DisneyParks (offical twitter account) tweeted that Today, May 28, is the official grand opening date.

Is a company twitter profile an official source to add this information into the entry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Collin1000 (talk • contribs) 16:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Generally, yes. Powers T 23:50, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Vandals
I have removed a couple of bits from this article. I have removed the unsourced sentence about the Christmas hymn reference from the finale room section (especially since if this was true, it would probably have only been present during the holiday season). I have also removed the whole "Lyrics" section as it is completely WP:COPYRIGHT and looks horribly laid out on this page. trainfan01 12:23, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

The Clock Tower in Epic Mickey
During an interview with Roland Crump, designer of the ride, I asked him about the name "Glockenspiel" for the name of the clock and/or clock face. He confirmed that this was not the name for the clock, nor the face. The clock is known simply as the "clock tower." Any reference to "Glockenspiel" would refer to the clock in some other context, but it should not be applied to the clock tower or clock face in Disneyland, Anaheim. --Davidodesign (talk) 17:25, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Should we put down that the Clock Tower is the first boss of the Wii video game "Epic Mickey"? After all, it DID scare many kids (dear god, that grin and those eyes)...64.83.231.37 (talk) 01:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Sounds suspiciously like trivia in the context of this article. AtticusX (talk) 14:29, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * My opinion is - Glockenspiel in Epic Mickey is a great start to begin collecting cultural references, of which there are legion, ranging from the subtle "get small" innuendos of Steve Martin to the overt. Cultural references is just as relevant to the context of this article as they are to E-ticket.Disneywizard (talk) 20:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

resemblance to white horse inn ouverture
on http://www.emusic.com/album/Various-Le-meilleur-de-l-operette-MP3-Download/11363921.html disc 2, 18 after a few seconds one can hear the melody in question. However a first quick check with a musician from berlin who is performing TODAY! the operetta led me to think that it concerns probably a local adaptation by the symphonic orchestra from Paris. I am waiting for confirmation. any other help/advice welcome Savasorda (talk) 14:37, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

The song section
This section duplicates the history section and should be merged into it or deleted. Unless we have more information about the song (music, etc.) we probably don't need a separate section. Viriditas (talk) 04:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * merged Disneywizard (talk) 20:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Capitalization
I propose to keep the article (and all links to it) as It's a Small World. The guidelines at MOS:TM and MOS:CAPS state the following:

I have therefore come to the conclusion that it should remain capitalized. Please comment below as to which way you think it should be and provide reasoning as to why it should be that way. Thanks Themeparkgc   Talk  00:24, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Wiz responds:
 * Let us not confuse the article title with text within the article.
 * Let us not confuse article title lowercase with leading quotes.
 * Let us recall that we must "avoid unnecessary title capitalization; most capitalization is for proper names"
 * This has never, ever been a trademark issue.


 * And Proper_names reminds us at the very top that "This guideline is a part of the English Wikipedia's Manual of Style. Use common sense in applying it; it will have occasional exceptions. Please ensure that any edits to this page reflect consensus."


 * I contend that "it's a small world" is her proper name pronoun, and not a trademark. It qualifies as the occasional exception, and the misrepresentation of a capitol S and W are errors introduced in 1998 on this wiki which have gone uncorrected too long.


 * MOS:CAPS See also: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (mathematics)
 * For trademarks that are given in mixed or non-capitalization by their owners (such as adidas), follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules for proper nouns. Trademarks beginning with a one-letter lowercase prefix pronounced as a separate letter do not need to be capitalized if the second letter is capitalized (e.g., iPod or eBay); Wikipedia does not capitalize the first letter, when, as in these cases, not doing so has become normal English usage. (Beginning article titles lower case requires the lowercase template or equivalent code.) The mixed or non-capitalized formatting should be mentioned in the article lead, or illustrated with a graphical logo. [which it is].
 * Some individuals do not want their personal names capitalized. In such cases, Wikipedia articles may use lower case variants of personal names if they have regular and established use in reliable third-party sources (for example, k.d. lang).
 * In articles where the case of symbols is significant, like those related to programming languages or mathematical notation (for example, n is not equivalent to N), the title should reflect this. It is best to avoid putting symbols like n at the beginning of a sentence where English rules would require capitalization.


 * Respect her name.Disneywizard (talk) 03:57, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but MOS:TM is pretty clear. Sorry if that busts your bubble. Its officially lower case, but wikipedia MOS guidelines say to Capitalize it for the purpose of this encyclopedia. Thst include structure as well as the title.--Jojhutton (talk) 11:56, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * It is a trademark. Disney have registered both It's a Small World and Disney It's a Small World with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. If it was a proper noun, then according to WP:CAPS it should be capitalized anyway. Unless you can provide strong evidence in the way of Wikipedia policies, the article should be left as it was a few days ago. Themeparkgc   Talk  22:38, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You already wiped out all the references I included. I suppose now you'll revert it again as you threaten, destroying Glockenspiel, '64 World's Fair, New York and all the other improvements to prove your point. (All of the historians and librarians here in the office agree you have lost your common sense pursuing the matter.) Disneywizard (talk) 09:01, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I won't revert you edits as such. I will leave all of your contributions in place. If this discussion is closed with the consensus of It's a Small World, I will only change the references to the name not any of the other information you contributed. Themeparkgc   Talk  09:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry if I am missing some background info on this discussion. WP uses proper noun English capitalization independent of the actual stylization. Thus Wikipedia usage of the proper noun is "It's a Small World". MoS pages are void of mis-interpretation. Usages in the text of article should also be consistent. In this case, I believe it should also be capitalized. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 20:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

"it's a small world" the correct title, is a proper name not a trademark
[moved here from my talk page, issues irrelevant to small world snipped, and my responses inserted in [square brackets] ] Themeparkgc  Talk  Claims: Even though Disney don't capitalize it, [but many in the company, English and journalism majors for the most part, even Dave Smith himself, have slipped up as I have, and used title case when referring to this attraction.Disneywizard (talk) 19:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)] the manual of style here at Wikipedia requires us to do so. See MOS:TM and MOS:CAPS. Thanks Themeparkgc   Talk  23:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Did you read the Wikipedia guidelines I have linked? Or have you just ignored me?

[Well isn't that aggressive? I would have preferred the offer of assistance. Disneywizard (talk) 08:36, 3 March 2011 (UTC)]

Trademarks rendered without any capitals are always capitalized


 * Themeparkgc  Talk  23:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * You may wish to comment on the discussion of capitization at the article's talk page. Themeparkgc   Talk  00:31, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

[^moved here from my talk page^Disneywizard (talk) 20:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)^]
 * Themeparkgc: Apples and pears - You cite trademarks MOS:TM style which recommends not [sic]requires. But "it's a small world" is a proper name - so you can throw MOS:TM out of the discussion altogether. The text of the article should reflect the proper name. You cite no reasons why the body of text can not do so, nor do you cite why unnecessary capitalization should persist.


 * The article was once titled correctly, when redirects were added in 1998 the error crept in which incorrectly altered the title to It's a Small World - title case, no quotes. The title of the attraction is "it's a small world" - entirely lower case, enclosed in quotes. I contend that the title of the attraction is indeed it's proper name. The article title should once again reflect that.


 * Regarding MOS:CAPS; The article title should never have included the excessive capitalization of either Small or World. An all lowercase title is acceptable when template is included. You chased my edits preventing saving anything while I was cleaning up template inclusion and redirects. Perhaps you were too quick on the draw and should have started the discussion [here] before your first reversion. The only style guideline truly in contention here is the leading and trailing quotation marks in the article title, which also is acceptable when enough folks use it. Indeed MOS:CAPS states:


 * "Some individuals do not want their personal names capitalized. In such cases, Wikipedia articles may use lower case variants of personal names if they have regular and established use in reliable third-party sources (for example, k.d. lang).


 * In articles where the case of symbols is significant, like those related to programming languages or mathematical notation (for example, n is not equivalent to N), the title should reflect this. It is best to avoid putting symbols like n at the beginning of a sentence where English rules would require capitalization."


 * So, for the same reason, Damn all of those journalists and english majors who "corrected" e.e.cummings and k. d. lang as well.


 * There are plenty of redirects which will guide the casual and ignorant to the correct article, let us further inform them by titling the article correctly as a proper name as well.

I read what you sent, Themeparkgc when you sent it and found it didn't apply. I find your reversions to be vandalism.Disneywizard (talk) 19:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Why bother copying all of that here - what's wrong with the section above? See my comments in that section. The comments that appear to be made by me in this section were made on Disneywizard's talk page and have been modified when transferred over. Themeparkgc   Talk  22:38, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Still don't think that the article is correct, but its hard to argue with someone who is willing to edit war.--Jojhutton (talk) 00:06, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * We need more votes from the Disney Park community. I agree, Jojhutton, and hate to argue in the first place. I find it most frustrating to spend two hours on dial-up including references only to loose them because the page was hastily removed. When I got back online I did find Themeparkgc's string of erroneous citations. Perhaps he assumes everyone is on a T1 and can keep up with his bots. Perhaps he could use his vast wiki knowledge to assist improving the article when he is done griping about talking about talking about it. (and quit interfering with the progress of plusing the place while thumping style-guideline|Leviticus claiming to be the word of god.) Disneywizard (talk) 08:36, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Only changed the Capitalization, per MOS:TM. No opinion on any of the other edits.--Jojhutton (talk) 12:03, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Disneywizard, I have not removed any references or anything else you have added. I have only made changes to the capitalization of It's a Small World. Here and here I have reverted only you edits which changed the name to lower case. I don't have a bot here on Wikipedia, however I do have rollbacking rights (which allows me to quickly revert edits). I wouldn't call changing the capitalization to lower case plusing the place. Themeparkgc   Talk  22:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

There is no proof, nor has there ever been proof that "it's a small world" recognized as a trademark. The U.S.Patent and Trademark office only recognized IT'S A SMALL WORLD as a service mark August 18, 2010.http://tdr.uspto.gov/search.action?sn=78305057 The proper name of the song has never been copyrighted "it's a small world (after all)" and can not be recognized as a trademark or service mark. So, every reference in the article to attraction titles before 8-18-2010 should be grandfathered in as all lower case, enclosed in quotes. The song should never have a capital letter in it. Once again, MOS:TM does not apply and MOS:Caps opposes excessive capitalization and permits all lower case proper names. Oh, and Jojhutton, if you disagree, kindly go through the article and make individual changes, instead of destroying any additional edits made in good faith by other editors - as opposed to the lazy reversion vandalism you continue to inflict, based blindly on false information and your myopic beliefs.Disneywizard (talk) 05:29, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Its difficult to revert what you perceive to be Good Faith edits that you intermingle with your non-guideline edits. Please do not disrupt the page and the integrity of wikipedia by attempting to wikilawer whether or not you feel that the name of the ride is trademarked or not. Wikipedia has its own policy and guidelines and is not bound by outside rules of law.-- JOJ Hutton  20:38, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

To quote Sue Gardner, Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director in
 * We want people to trust Wikipedia, not worry that it is trying to propagandize them.

Then why, JOJ  Hutton  must you insist on lying to the public and forcing an all title case version of the true name? MOS:Caps is there to prevent ALL CAPS agrandizing, and spam MEANT FOR SHOUTING! This is the opposite of that, and approved usage. By the way MOS in no way suggests that the song, a separate entity, needs any capitalization and should remain correctly titled "it's a small world (after all)" - entirely lower case and enclosed in quotes. Disneywizard (talk) 02:02, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a trademark.-- JOJ Hutton  02:26, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Do you people realize what you're fighting over? 68.183.21.13 (talk) 15:48, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Lyrics
WP:COPYRIGHT does not apply. This song "it's a small world (after all)" is perhaps the world's most noted song for not having a copyright. Disneywizard (talk) 20:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * See "Copyright status of song," below. The claim that it is not copyrighted is not supported by any source and is contrary to US Copyright Office records.  I see you are the editor who added the unsourced claim.  What did you base this on? TJRC (talk) 20:00, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

The Magic The Memories and You
Disney recently unveiled a new projection show called The Magic The Memories and You at Disneyland and also at Disney World. The Disneyland version is projected onto the It's a Small World facade while the Disney World show is shown on Cinderella Castle. Why hasn't this been mentioned on this article page, or possibly a seperate article? ~ Jedi94  (talk) 12:01, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It was mentioned, then removed by Jojhutton vandalism of reversion. Now restored Disneywizard (talk) 20:07, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Then vandalized by Jojhutton later that day.Disneywizard (talk) 05:36, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Page needs fixing
The info box on this page is broken (the underlying code is displaying on the page). I'm not knowledgeable enough to fix it. Can someone assist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.201.0.221 (talk) 22:22, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * fixed Disneywizard (talk) 20:06, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Copyright status of song
It appears that the Small World song is not copyrighted. This means two things:


 * We could post the lyrics to the song. We probably shouldn't, as it's not encyclopedic.
 * We could post a recording. We absolutely should, as it would add greatly to the article.

D O N D E groovily  Talk to me  13:48, 21 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Recordings can be problematic. Just because the song is in the public domain doesn't mean that any given performance of the song is in the public domain.  Someone could record a PD rendition explicitly for use on Wikipedia, but how desirable would that be?  What if it was just a MIDI of the main melody?  There are a lot of questions here.  Powers T 22:29, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The claim that the song is not copyrighted is unsourced, and appears to be false.  According to U.S. Copyright Office records, its copyright was registered on October 4, 1963, reg. no. EU0000793673, and renewed October 15, 1991, renewal reg. no. RE0000548478.  To confirm, go to the Copyright Office public catalog and search on "RE0000548478" with "Search By:" set to "Registration Number".  I'm going to delete the passage from the article. TJRC (talk) 19:54, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

I see the claim that the song was not copyrighted has been re-added. At least time this time there's a source, but it's to mentalfloss.com. That's not a particularly reliable source and the article cited provides nothing to back up its claim; I suspect the author read it in an old version of this article, and it's an example of citogenesis.

In any case, in addition to being contradicted by the copyright registration cited above, it's contradicted by this interview with Richard M. Sherman, one of the song's authors: "[Walt Disney] wouldn’t let us give our royalties away. We wanted to donate them to UNICEF. Walt said: “Don’t ever do that. I don’t want you to do that. This song is going to put your kids through school.” We said, “What are you talking about?” He said, “If you want to make a contribution to UNICEF, do it any time you want. But don’t give away your birthright.” And so we didn’t, and thank God, it’s the world’s most performed song."  TJRC (talk) 22:19, 5 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Just to nail this down further, the record for the original 1963 copyright registration (see above for the 1991 renewal) can be found on page 1454 of the US Copyright Office document Catalog of Copyright Entries: Third Series; Volume 17, Part 5, Number 2. Music, July-December 1963:


 * IT'S A SMALL WORLD; w & m Richard M. Sherman & Robert B. Sherman. Appl. author: Walt Disney Productions, employer for hire. © Wonderland Music Co.; 40ct63; EU793673.


 * TJRC (talk) 22:39, 5 January 2016 (UTC)