Talk:It (novel)/Archive 2

Maine Legion of White Decency
Did such an organisation actually exist? Or does this organisation refer to some other organisations that actually exist in the northern states? --84.137.217.136 (talk) 10:24, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Description of It
It is described as resembling other clowns such as Bozo and Ronald McDonald in the text of the novel. Here's a link showing the text. Do we need to cite what is coming from the object of the article itself? —Torchiest talk/edits 17:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I was not protesting the validity of the description so much as I was the wording of the sentence. Sure, It looks like Bozo with fangs, but if we're making a statement of that outside of the Plot section (where it can be assumed that all information comes from the text of book), we should also provide information as to who made that comparison, or at least in what circumstances. Otherwise the reader is left wondering if the description was provided by a character, a reviewer, King himself...


 * It's much clearer to just say "It is described by [blah blah person] as a combination of..." than to say "described as a combination of" and give no hint of WHO described It that way. It doesn't even call for a real citation or footnote so much as what I just changed it to, which is simply to say, "It is described by characters who see It as blah blah". keɪɑtɪk flʌfi (talk) 18:17, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Works for me. —Torchiest talk/edits 19:17, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Beep Beep, Richie?
I was wondering if I should put any reference to the frequently used line "Beep, beep, Richie!" ? Because, apparently, they use it to tell him to stop talking, as he talks too much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.96.121.65 (talk) 14:10, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

In other media
I have to put this in even though it is trivial and fairly unimportant: The second episode of the TV series Haven, itself based off the Steven King novel The Colerado Kid, contains a reference to Pennywise: when Audrey #2 sees the troubled person, whose power is to appear as whatever a person fears the most, she sees a clown with fangs carrying a handfull of balloons and a bloody axe. 207.216.222.107 (talk) 21:03, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Richie's Inspiration
I was rereading this book lately, and noticed that there were similarities between Richie and Rich Little. A. Their names are both Rich; B. They're both famous for celebrity impressions. I checked this article, and it said nothing of this. Pawsrent (talk) 01:05, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Frank Dodd's resemblance to Pennywise
I think it should be added in The Dead Zone reference that when John looks at Frank through the girls eyes she sees him as a "black man with eyes as shiny as quarters". Titan30 (talk) 02:47, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That falls under original research, unfortunately given it's your own interpretation and not something that has been covered elsewhere. Probably also a coincidence too given when he wrote the two books.--CyberGhostface (talk) 03:05, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Not psychological horror
The article for psychological horror says: "'...the object of horror does not look like a monstrous other, but rather a normal human being, whose horrific identity is often not revealed until well into the work, or even at the very end.'" and "'Psychological horror tends to be subtle compared to traditional horror and typically contains less physical harm...'" In It, It is clearly a monstrous other, and it takes many horrifying forms. Also, many many people are killed by It throughout the course of the novel. There is plenty of gore and violence as well. —Torchiest talkedits 20:30, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Section on It
We really don't need this section--in the context of the article it's overlong and redundant (given that it's largely a synopsis of the book) and borders on fancruft (I.E. a bullet list of all the appearances, his powers), etc. I'm a huge fan of the novel but we really don't need this much. Maybe a paragraph like the rest of the characters would be fine.--CyberGhostface (talk) 04:21, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Merge It (character) to this page
The unreferenced, 900-word article It (character) should be merged into this page. The Biography content will merge nicely into the Characters section. The "in other works" section really belongs here, since it is about multiple characters in the novel. And the "In television"/"In film" sections will go nicely into "Adaptations". – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:53, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge—Novel and film articles cover all details in this article, and character does not meet WP:GNG outside of original work & adaptation. AldezD (talk) 15:07, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge (for now). The merge seems sensible unless the article is revised for grammatical errors and/or general issues with the standard Wikipedia page format. -- Matthew  - (talk · userpage · contributions) 23:33, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge The It character page is unsourced, and not overly long. It does not need a separate article, as it's existence is entirely dependent upon a single work of fiction.  Scr ★ pIron IV 18:54, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete article It (character). As it is entirely unreferenced, there is nothing to merge except original research. Prhartcom (talk) 19:12, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

=Grammar=

"It", in this case, is a proper noun. Therefore, when referring to something that It possesses, the correct form would be "It's", not "Its". For example, you would say "It's face", not "Its face". Please stop reverting the corrections to an improper form.Dpodoll68 (talk) 20:52, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not the one reverting you (I don't think), but we've had this argument before on this talk page, and while I initially took your position, if you check your copy of the book you'll see that King himself wrote the possessive of the creature's name as "Its". Can't really buck the usage of the man who created It. keɪɑtɪk flʌfi (talk) 12:37, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes I can, when his grammar usage is incorrect. Think about it.  Would you say "Stephen Kings book"?  Of course not.Dpodoll68 (talk) 17:47, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I would say that if King himself said it. Just as it is "Its" not "It's" because he said it. Unless you would like to go and correct the spelling of Pet Cemartary also? 121.73.246.11 (talk) 16:55, 26 November 2009 (UTC)Dirty Great Green Murloc

Its, never it's, when you're talking about possessions. Grammar 101, that's why King always said its, not it's; unless it's stood for "it is". Never is there an exception, ever. If Pennywise's name was It instead of Pennywise, then sure, it would be "It's" with a capital I, because that would be his name, but it isn't, so we don't add the '. Easy as that.
 * Her name, you mean. The monster was female. 207.216.222.107 (talk) 21:03, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Concerning the appearance of Dick Halloran (a character from The shinning) in IT during the fire in Black Spot, there is a moment where while Mike Hanlon's father and another guy try to run out of the burning building, Halloran grabs them both and yells they should leave from another exit, seemingly more dangerous, cause the doorway they were trying to go is blocked. When the other guy asks Halloran how he knows that, he responds without explanation that he just knows. This is probably a hint of Halloran's special mental ability/sixth sense we witness having in The shinning. 94.65.226.20 (talk) 16:27, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

GEE!!!! do you think so??

Article Missing Major Information
This article is missing major sections and pieces of information including information on the development of the novel and its reception which are completely absent from the article. These sections are extremely important and most of the article is composed of plot and character information, these sections should be added to the article to give it more balanced coverage.--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:18, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

The sex scene
The article mentions this passage of the book in the following manner: "After the battle, the Losers get lost in the sewers until Beverly has sex with all the boys to bring unity back to the group." Now, I haven't read the book in a long time, but my interpretation of that was never that it was "to bring unity to the group", but rather that it was to mark the end of childhood for them. After the sex, they were "grown ups", thus free from It's illusions (or, at least, the worst of it), and able to leave the sewers (were they were lost, presumably because of It's lingering influence). Has anyone else had that impression? (There is an external link at the end of the passage, but it doesn't justify that choice of motivation). Monstrim (talk) 13:44, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I added the citation because people were blanking the sentence, claiming that the scene never happened. The citation says "", which seems to verify the current wording.  It's been over 20 years since I read the book, so analyzing the characters' motivations for individual scenes is difficult for me. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:35, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2017
Please change, in the second paragraph of the Adaptations section,

"A feature film adaptation, It, will be released on September 8, 2017"

to

"A feature film adaptation, It, was released on September 8, 2017."

The movie has been released. Cowboycoder (talk) 05:52, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Simplexity22 (talk) 06:44, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Sewers or storm drains ?
A sewer carries sewage effluent and those pipes are not typically more than 1-3 ft. in diameter in a small town. Also, the paper boat went into a storm drain, not a sewer. has anyone actually read this? Does it say sewer? 98.118.62.140 (talk) 13:13, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Request for hyperlink to Sophia Lillis page
The "Adaptations" section lists the movie's starring cast in the sentence starting "A feature film adaptation, It, was released on September 8, 2017...", but there is no hyperlink provided for Sophia Lillis. She has a wikipedia page at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_Lillis — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.40.130 (talk) 15:49, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

ethnic?
What does this sentence mean? "attention on his ethnic neighbor, Mike Hanlon " - what is an ethnic neighbor? 5.34.72.223 (talk) 03:03, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

He's black. Whoever wrote it is stuck in "coloreds" language and is (subconsciously) forgetting American history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanityclear (talk • contribs) 14:40, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2017
Mike isn't "ethnic"; he's black. Please change the plot summary to reflect this. Vanityclear (talk) 14:39, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Cannolis (talk) 16:02, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

"duel narrative?" Dual narrative maybe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:D78A:5A00:78D2:B2A:A5A9:6441 (talk) 00:54, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Corrected Cannolis (talk) 04:52, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Themes
There should be a themes section in this article.--Paleface Jack (talk) 02:01, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Additional Literary Sources to Add
So looking at this article, there is still a lot that is needed to be done to it considering that it's mostly comprised of the plot summary and character information. Information such as the development of the novel, and themes need to be added to the article with proper citations. I have also been looking at some information from literary sources that can be added to both this article and the ones on the character, and miniseries. Here is what I have so far on some Literary sources that can be added:

--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:20, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * A Literary Stephen King Companion by Rocky Wood (Pgs 100-101; 137)
 * Stephen King: The Non-Fiction by Rocky Wood and Justin Brooks (Pgs 372-373; 374-375)
 * Stephen King and Philosphy edited by Jacob M. Held (Pgs 173, 176, 177, 181, 186, 189, 242)
 * TV Horror:Investigating the Dark Side of the Small Screen by Lorna Jowett and Stacey Abbott (Pgs 72, 74-76)