Talk:Ita Buttrose

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I restored the section on Buttrose's relationship with Kerry Packer. This is important, first, because it was a significant relationship in her personal life. Second, both she and Packer were celebrities and this was (and remains) newsworthy. To leave it out reeks of hagiography and is not "neutral voice". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.228.195.86 (talk) 14:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

No mention of the lisp she used to put on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.110.64 (talk) 03:45, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

It would good to indicate that she was awarded Australian of the Year in acknowledgement of her "...groundbreaking media career and her role in raising awareness of health care and media issues." (See http://www.australianoftheyear.org.au/news-and-media/media-releases/article/?id=australian-of-the-year-awards-2013-announced)

Alexa Smith 03:26, 28 January 2013 (UTC)alexasmith — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexasmith (talk • contribs)

Her birthdates are given inconsistently - in the first sentence it is given as 1943, the box in the sidebar as 1942. No source is listed for either (though it looks like reference 11 says 1942). Glenbarnett (talk) 07:40, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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"Frank about sexuality"?
'She was the founding editor of Cleo, a high-circulation magazine aimed at women aged 20 to 40 that was frank about sexuality (and, in its infancy, featured nude male centrefolds) and, later, the editor of the more conventional The Australian Women's Weekly.' Is "frank" really the right word to use here? commemorative (talk) 13:38, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The word "frank" there in the lead is a repeat of the use of that word in the section of the article about her career. It's a link to a video which doesn't seem to use the word. Our article about Cleo doesn't use the word either. But I'm not sure what the problem is with that word. What would you suggest in its place? HiLo48 (talk) 23:23, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Doesn't seem to fit wikivoice. I think it's too informal.
 * What about "that covered topics of sexuality"? commemorative (talk) 01:43, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That doesn't describe HOW it covered those topics. Compared with any publication that preceded it, it WAS frank. That's why it stood out from the crowd and was so successful. We need to somehow describe that. HiLo48 (talk) 03:05, 9 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I can't really see anything wrong with the word "frank". You could choose a synonym, if you prefer, such as "candid" or "outspoken", but it is what it is, surely? "Explicit" might have served the purpose a couple of decades ago, but these days it can have the connotation of being something particularly shocking or pornographic... Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:27, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * My problem with it is that it's a slang word, at least in the way I've encountered it, and I think would break WP:SLANG since it as an 'unusual synonym' as described there, of course we can invoke WP:IAR but I think changing the word would help.Candid is a good suggestion for a replacement. commemorative (talk) 07:33, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not a slang word. It's a very old English word. But I don't object to changing it to candid. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:58, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I've never seen it as a slang word. HiLo48 (talk) 11:24, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Strange. I always have. Only heard it used informally in rural Australia, but assumedly I'm wrong on that. commemorative (talk) 11:51, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I went hunting and found several serious articles where the word is used. Here's a couple - here and here. HiLo48 (talk) 23:39, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Both of those cases are quotes. commemorative (talk) 03:05, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The first is a headline, and a word repeated twice in the article, NOT as direct quotes. Yes, the second is a quote, but from a person not prone to using slang in formal public discourse. HiLo48 (talk) 22:08, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary:frank does not mark it as slang. I've never encountered any context where it's used as a slang word. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  03:10, 10 April 2023 (UTC)