Talk:Italian game

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I'm aware that the terms Italian Game and Giuoco Piano are often used interchangeably, and that these pages have been merged and un-merged a couple of times (see latest discussion here).

I’ve re-opened this page mainly to conform to the distinction made on other WP pages and in Wikibooks between play after 3.Bc4 and 3…Bc5, and also to give a seamless link to the pages on the Two Knights and the Hungarian Defences,as well as the Giuoco Piano. Moonraker12 08:03, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Name
On the issue of the name (see discussion), the sources here are no more definite.

Bronsteins 200 Open Games refers to the Italian (G.P), but then in the first game described gives 3…N-QB3, which is the 2 Knights!

On the other hand, Zagorovsky’s Romantic Chess Openings has separate chapters for the Hungarian, Italian (3.Bc4 Bc5), Evans and 2 Knights (4d4 and 4Ng5).

BCO’s chapter on this has sections for Evans, G.P II and 2 Knights; however the first section, laying out 3…d6, 3..Be7 and 3…Bc5 is entitled G.P I, but with a particular line, 4.d3, entitled Giuoco Piano.

My own thought, for what it’s worth, is that historically ( say, in Greco’s time) the Italian Game was all play after 3.Bc4, perhaps to distinguish it from the Spanish game, and the Giuoco Piano was one of the (presumably quiet) lines in that.

Nowadays the Hungarian and the Two Knights have a life of their own, and the G.P has expanded (and the Italian diminished) to cover whatever is left. But I don't have any evidence to substantiate that. Moonraker12 11:32, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Content?
I’m also not sure how much play should, or can, be included in an encyclopaedia entry. Should we just be giving an overview, and referring, or linking, to other , much more complete sources, like ECO? And can we include big chunks of detail on various lines derived from those sources and stay within copyright? Moonraker12 12:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Moved
This article is now at Italian Game; all Revision History between 11 October, and 21 October, 2007, relates to that article. As do these comments, which are repeated at thetalk page there. Moonraker12 12:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)