Talk:Itzamna

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This is a bad and badly phrased article. I frolicked around a bit, but I will soon make amends.77.162.130.139 02:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * "Frolicked around a bit"? You were vandalizing the article with nonsense. Please refrain from making any more destructive edits.--Mr Fink 02:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Present Illustration
Although I appreciate the figure for its curiosity value, I don't believe it is very appropriate to the discussion at hand. It is more about "Itzamna in North-American Culture" than about Itzamna among the Mayas. 77.162.130.139 (talk) 13:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree, an authentic representation, such as from the Dresden Codex, would be much better. Will see about adding one in sometime in the future.--cjllw ʘ  TALK 04:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Young Maize god and phallic symbolism
I would like to see some much better sources to support the idea that the Maya young maize deity has a particularly strong association with phallic symbolism. Standard refs on the maize deity -Karl Taube, even JES Thompson- don't make much of a point of this. Possibly something's gone astray in the translation of the source given (a Romanian author seemingly better known for writing science fiction, and not someone I think who'd be the first place to check for reliable info on Maya mythology), and something else was intended...?

If nothing further forthcoming I'd propose removing this statement.--cjllw ʘ  TALK 04:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, have now removed the statement. If it's to be readded, wld like to see some sources from the Mesoamericanist field. --cjllw ʘ  TALK 04:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

New illustration
Is it possible that the Tonina picture should be turned? 77.162.130.139 (talk) 19:22, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Duly turned... Simon Burchell (talk) 21:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Current Illustration not Itzamna
Unless there's been some recent re-evaluation I'm not aware of, the current picture taken from a looted polychrome vase has been identified by Michael D. Coe as God N, not Itzamna. 58.170.210.136 (talk) 12:14, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The book you are probably referring to, Lords of the Underworld, is from 1978; comparing gods D and N in Taube's Major Gods (1992) will convince you of the likelihood that the aged deity in the picture is god D, or Itzamna, rather than god N.Retal (talk) 12:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Picture Censer with PBD removed
There are two reasons for the removal: (1) The PBD is already illustrated by the Tonina relief, (2) it is far from obvious that the censer really shows the PBD.Retal (talk) 12:55, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * While Toniná 2 relief (left) also illustrates PBD, it is very different from the Censer Stand (right) [relief vs. sculpture] and both images provide informative illustration of the subject
 * According to sources, the Censer Stand is depicting Principal Bird Deity, see original LACMA description from here:

Guatemala, Maya Censer Stand Depicting Principal Bird Deity, 250-450 A.D. Ceramic, Ceramic, 6 1/4 x 7 1/4 x 8 3/4 in. (15.88 x 18.42 x 22.23 cm) Purchased with funds provided by Mr. and Mrs. Thomas H. Crawford, Jr. (M.2005.41)
 * I would like the image to be restored, given Retal's concern is satisfied. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 15:54, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Irrelevant picture removed
I removed the otherwise interesting and funny picture by a U.S. artist, since this article being about the Mayas, it is not devoted to the concept U.S. citizens may have held of Itzamna.77.162.130.139 (talk) 16:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Good call. Thanks, Madman (talk) 19:02, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Itzamna and Ixchel
Where does it said that Itzamna & Ixchel are similar to Orpheus & Eurydice, Izanagi & Izanami, Savitri & Satyavan, and Lot & his wife? It doesn't said anything in Itzamna or Ixchel. Cococrash11 (talk) 06:46, 9 August 2012 (UTC)