Talk:Ivalice

FailedGA
I failed the article because it lacks citations for necessary parts, is not yet broad in its coverage, and goes into excessive detail in some areas. We still have a lot of work to do with this one. &mdash; Deckiller 13:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * [Thoughtless and stupid comment removed by the author.] My new GA proposal is a copy of the JapanWikipedia's. I'll make a sandbox version soon. &mdash; Bluerで す. 08:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That would classify as plagiarism, Bluer.Ryoga-2003 (talk) 07:00, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * My opinion is that the article should be rewritten in it's entirety. The FFVII Locations page, for example, is a better presentation of a Final Fantasy game world. Obviously, all the information exists within the games to achieve this end.Ryoga-2003 (talk) 06:58, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

List of Final Fantasy XII locations
We should merge it here, since it appears to be the exact same topic, and may make it to GA combined. Judgesurreal777 21:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not a member of WP:WPFF, but I've been keeping an eye on the Ivalice Alliance articles lately, and I support the merger. It'll be a beast of an article, for sure, but I believe that's the way to go.--Nohansen 21:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Done! Judgesurreal777 03:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

FFTA and Shared Locations/Retranslations
I'm not sure if this has been broached before, but maybe we could add a part highlighting repeated locations throughout the games? Additionally, locations and items that have been retranslated yet hold common themes through the games deserve a mention. How does this sound? Finally, I'm seeing almost no mention of FFTA's mobile geography or apparent climate (mentioned to be hot, except in snowy passes). ShiraShira 23:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It could sound trivial, but be bold and give it a try. &mdash; Bluerです. なにか? 17:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

out of universe
I propose that each subsection be reordered according to the release dates of the games. The current sections are in fictional chronological order and that contradicts Wikipedia's policy on fiction article. Kariteh 17:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course. &mdash; Bluerです. なにか? 17:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. It makes the history section just a little bit confusing, but that's only because it's written with an in-universe point of view. It would be much clearer with explicite out universe descriptions. Kariteh 17:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I suggest we cut out the information in the history section. That's in-universe, and should be well-suited in FFWiki instead. &mdash; Bluerで す. 18:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * All of it? I think the Ajora section should remain since it's supported by official out of universe sources. I agree the rest is probably more suited for the FF Wikia though. Kariteh 09:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh no. Not all of it. Only the sections which talk about the timeline for the individual games. I'll go ahead. &mdash; Blue. 14:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The timeline has been transferred to the FFWiki, if anyone asks. &mdash; Blue. 16:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Timeline is Too Heavily Relied on
I find this article a little bit too biased with the Ultimania in comparison with the Ivalice=FFXII/FFT timeline, and sans the correction of gender in localization, almost completely ignores any type of game canon being presented in favor of the timeline. Heck, even the timeline is being read wrong here, such as the statement "Even though the Glabados religion didn't exist...", incorrect. FFXII takes -place- in 706, FFXII's -ending- takes place a year LATER, 707. Even -according- to the timeline -itself-, the religion is established upon the time FFXII and Tactics timeline begins to diverge and the "Ajoras" appear. Yes, its several decades later, but you are also making -predecisions- that the female Ajora and male Ajora are the same (a question posed by the timeline itself) and countless other bits of speculation that are not needed yet are cited as credible in this wiki. In other words, if we're going to continue to rely on one little timeline so much, be thorough when doing so?67.142.130.42 02:14, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ultimania Omega is the only canon reference for the timeline, unless you found others. The statement "Even though the Glabados religion didn't exist..." doesn't exist in the article, even before the latest revision. FYI, Glabados was not explicitly mentioned in FFXII anywhere, even in the UOmega, as a religion. The name crops up as the Cache of Glabados in Revenant Wings, which in turn is something not related to the religion. UOmega also questions if these Ajoras are the same, but as far as evidence shows, they're not. Technically, we wouldn't sanctioned such speculative information within this article, but the article is also in the process of improvement, still figuring out what should be in and what shouldn't be said here. &mdash; Bluerで す. 15:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Currently the article claims that the Ajora in FFT is male. Which is false, but is a late game reveal. In the canon of FFT she was a female, but her followers obfuscated that fact in their proselyting efforts, most likely because the religious atmosphere was shifting toward a patriarchal model. So that part of the timeline section is both incorrect, and a spoiler. &mdash; 2601:681:880:B3D:CC3C:C27A:1A39:1FAA (talk) 16:14, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

GA before FFTA2?
Could this article pass GAC even though FFTA2 isn't released yet? It would make an awesome Featured Topic with FFT, VS, FFTA, and FFXII (the pre-Ivalice Alliance games). Kariteh 13:12, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think a little more info in the reception might help it achieve GA even without FFTA2's info. &mdash; Blue.

GA considerations
Certainly a good article, however some issues: -- David Fuchs ( talk ) 19:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Reception and criticism is stubbed. Seeing as its one of the most important sections, you might want to expand this as much as possible.
 * All pictures need their rationales modified to include Ivalice.
 * All pictures' rationales have had Ivalice added now. --PresN 05:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, it's good enough to pass GA. David Fuchs ( talk  ) 21:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

A Good addition to the Wikiproject. And the dates... what a coincidence :) &mdash; Blue. 21:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Ivalice in FFTA
Article says: "Though described often as a world, this was only physically true of Ivalice in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance."

False. Ivalice is a country in FFTA. http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/9256/31752944dh9.png —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.39.42.227 (talk) 02:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * To the people in the world, because they're not real. Ivalice, however, describes the extent of the dream world. --77.99.30.226 11:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Connections of Ivalice to Ivaice in FFTA
In Final Fantasy Tactics Advance article it says "The fantasy Ivalice is supposedly a reincarnation of Mewt's memories from a Final Fantasy game." this game could be Final Fantasy XII, because it has the characters from that game in it. Also it could be Final Fantasy Tactics because it has the systems from it. I think it is Final Fantasy XII. I don't have proof of this. if someone knows that this is true, then they should add this to the article, or if it is not suitable for this article, and it would be better in another article, then it should be put in that article, or in any article that would benifit from this information.
 * No, the "Final Fantasy" game the article is referring to is an actual game called "Final Fantasy" in the FFTA world. The game is, strangely enough, based on a pretty accurate in-universe historical setting that predates the cataclysm (which caused the loss of many races and quite possibly tons of recorded history from the era around the time FFXII takes place).  LanceHeart 02:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions retcons
Now that the game is out and has been for quite some time, I've noticed (mostly in the religion section) that there are some differences between the original version's translation and the new one. The mannerisms of everyone tends to go toward saying "gods" when referring to deities, especially in the Germonique Scriptures. What I propose is this: The addition of the discrepancies or retcons under every Final Fantasy Tactics section. I'll probably add the religion part when I get a chance to read some of the dialog of the game again. LanceHeart 03:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Just thought this would be worth pointing out - Balthier is in War of the Lions which, according to the timeline, takes place more than 1200 years after Final Fantasy XII. 75.41.37.219 (talk) 13:05, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, they trimmed down the religion references in the re-release. The only one i can think of offhandi s when finishing a Proposition, your characters now say "the stars were with us" instead of "the gods were with us." And of course, the change to Delita's line in the beginning from "Dont blame me -- blame yourself, or God" to "Tis your birth and faith that wrong you, not I." There are more but i think any more would clutter up the talk page here. Only one more is deserving of it; There is now no Count Draclau, which no one could take seriously.
 * Apologies, forgot to sign. 74.132.249.206 (talk) 01:20, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Out-of-context quote from 1-up Article
The first quote of the 'Reception and Criticism' is taken from a 1-Up article, where Vagrant Story is noted as being the only 'outstanding' title in the Ivalice series which has not been brought into the Ivalice Alliance. Outstanding is used in the sense of being incomplete and not brought up to date, yet the quote uses it to say that Vagrant Story is the only quality game in the series. I have tried removing this quote before, but it is routinely put back, which is why I've created this post. Moogle activist (talk) 03:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Jylland
I don't see any mention of Jylland, the region that Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift takes place in. I would think that a section for this is needed as well. -Nahald (talk) 06:57, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

War of the Roses.
Should it be included somewhere here that hte first game was, in essence, a retellign of the War of the Roses (War of the lions in ivalice) taking palce after the 100 years war (50 years war in ivalice)...except, you know, with magic stones and demons. Which would have made it a much more interesing play. Comedy in my words aside, I want to know if anyone thinks it has a place here? Since it could amount to "trivia" (although I dont think it does, i think its morei mportant) its close enough to that trivia/influence/original reserach/interpretation fine line that i'd not put it in untl there was some sort of consensus on the matter. 74.132.249.206 (talk) 01:24, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * A minor note of some import that i neglected: the Re-translation of FFT made reference to the Black Plague having happend in recent history. Maybe only once but it is in there. Its odd enough to warrant mention at least in the talk page on this issue. But again, consensus on this before i put anyhting up on the actual article.. 74.132.249.206 (talk) 01:28, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You could say the whole of Tactics is a reference to medieval times as well as events taking place in ol' England, and other shows/games/movies too reference these real-life events. IMHO, unless the developers have mentioned that they were inspired by thus, such as the example on FFXII's development section, it's trivia at best. &mdash; Blue. 02:29, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

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