Talk:Ivan Štironja

RfC: Montenegrin or Serbian
I noticed mixed usage of the two language templates – Template:Lang-cnr and Template:Lang-sr for Montenegro-related articles. The question is, what template should I use in this and other Montenegro-related articles when transcribing someone's or something's name to these two respective languages. The official language in Montenegro is Montenegrin language, while Serbian language is in official usage with several other languages. For example, the article about Montenegro's President Milo Đukanović uses the Montenegrin template, while an article on the country's Prime Minister Zdravko Krivokapić uses the Serbian template. Both of them are state officials, and yet there are obviously different standards. I wonder in this particular situation (and in similar cases) should I use Montenegrin or Serbian template? Thank you. --Governor Sheng (talk) 13:31, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello. Montenegrin and Serbian languages are in fact really similar, or to be more precise, they're the same language, the difference is that Montenegrins have a different dialect. In the case of Ivan Štironja, his ethnicity is Croatian and so you can use Croatian if you want, however, keep in mind that Roman Catholic Diocese of Kotor was written in Serbian, so again, you could also choose Serbian. Again, there are no major differences between these two languages so in the end, it's your choice what language to choose. Vacant0 (talk) 14:38, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks like Milo Đukanović actually uses lang-cyrl, and Zdravko Krivokapić's article says he was born to Serb parents. The whole area of national and language identity is pretty fraught, but I'd go with whatever template most closely matches either the subject's self identified ethnic identity, or failing that, their parents ethnicity, and failing that fall back on a generic template like lang-cyrl. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:42, 23 April 2021 (UTC):It looks like Milo Đukanović actually uses lang-cyrl, and Zdravko Krivokapić's article says he was born to Serb parents. The whole area of national and language identity is pretty fraught, but I'd go with whatever template most closely matches either the subject's self identified ethnic identity, or failing that, their parents ethnicity, and failing that fall back on a generic template like lang-cyrl. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:42, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Or as Vacant0 says, just use whatever you want. I don't think it's that big a deal until someone makes a big deal about nationality. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:44, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * My opinion is that I should follow the official language line since it's about the Catholic Church and people not strictly involved with Montenegrin politics. I want it to be the least controversial option, if that is even possible because ex-Yugoslavia articles can become really heated about issues like that. --Governor Sheng (talk) 15:35, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think it's basically a minefield, and I respect that you want to have a consensus somewhere you can point to if some of the ex-Yugoslavia heat shows up. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:38, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Balkans.. Just to let you know my recommendation is to use Croatian for this article, Vacant0 (talk) 17:57, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, the assumption should be that he speaks Montenegrin unless we can point to a source that claims he speaks another Serbo-Croatian variety. As somebody from Balkans, I would bet anything that a Croat-descended Catholic from Herzegovina would almost certainly seriously object to anyone calling the language he speaks Serbian (or even Serbo-Croatian), so I would steer clear of that.  Mel ma nn   09:59, 24 April 2021 (UTC)