Talk:Ivan Talovac

Disputed Serbian ethnic origin!
Ivan Talovac is metioned as a Serb in a Serb oriented literature of early 20th century, inspired by works of Serbian authors who tried to force a theory of Dubrovnik as a town inhabited by Serbs, which is a false statement. There is no shrad of evidence that Talovac family is of Serbian origin, like there is no a proof that Serbs where settlers and citizens of Dubrovnik. Russian general and statesman Pyotr Aleksandrovich Tolstoy (1769 - 1844) is describing Raguzani (people of Dubrovnik/Ragusa) as sea captains, astronoms and sailormen and stating they are speaking Slavic language, they know Italian and are calling themselves Croats and Romancatholics (i nazivajutsja Hervati, veru deržat rimskuju). Besides that, the family is from Korčula, and that island was/and is inhabited by Croats. Renaissance author Ivan Vidal from Korčula in one poem is addresing to contemporary poet Niko Nalješković from Dubrovnik as proud and glory of Croatian language (hrvatskoga diko i slavo jezika). Walter9 (talk) 09:47, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

The sources used to describe the ethnic origin of this 15th century nobleman (!) born in Dubrovnik are from 1893, 1904, and 1968. So already at first glance it loooks very dubious, especially since there are at least as many sources that call him a Croat (for example ). The name is also problematic since a quick Google Books search show that "Ivan Talovac" gives more sources than "Jovan Talovac". And I don't see how can a person who was the Prior of Vrana and the Ban of Slavonia be considered a member of Serbian nobility. Tezwoo (talk) 23:02, 6 February 2021 (UTC)