Talk:Ivangorod

Estonian claim to Ivangorod
Why is this town on Estonia wiki and with Estonian name? Did Estonia claim that Ivangorod should be annexed by Estonia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.165.173.131 (talk) 12:04, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Please ask at the Estonian Wikipedia.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:43, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Narva
One reference to Ivangorod having been part of Narva can be found in the town's own homepage www.ivangorod.ru (under history). One could indeed argue that any claim that Ivangorod somehow was NOT part of Narva at any time between 1612-1945 is rather more contentious. Secondly, boundaries per se cannot supersede treaties -- they can only supersede other boundaries. Cheers, --3 Löwi 12:22, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Please say where exactly in the http://www.ivangorod.ru is there a sentence(s) which states that Narva and Ivangorod were considered to be a single city? Thanks in advance Burann 11:56, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Under history -- Наступивший шведский период в истории Ивангорода растянулся почти на целое столетие, в течение которого Ивангородская крепость воспринималась исключительно как предместное укрепление Нарвы, составляя с ней единую оборонительную систему. И лишь Петру I, в ходе победоносной Северной войны (в 1704 г.), удалось окончательно вернуть России и Нарву, и Ивангород. Однако значение последнего уже не было так велико, как прежде, ибо за время шведского владычества роль "окна в Европу" перешла к только что основанному Петербургу. На протяжении XVIII-XIX веков развитие Ивангорода, ставшего частью Нарвы, шло по плану, лично утверждённому Екатериной II в 1784г. Cheers, --3 Löwi 18:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, thank you, I removed the note which said that it lacks references. Burann 18:13, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Broken external link
In its present state, the external link brings to a missing page. I cannot fix it myself, since it requires being able to read Russian. I leave it as a job for the next Russian-speaking visitor to this page. French Tourist 23:15, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I have corrected the link now Burann 23:27, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Ivangorod history
Iivananlinna (Castle of Ivan) is the Finnish name of this old Muscovite fortress built on the east bank of Narva River on the Inkereland side of the river.

During the "Sable War" in 1611 it surredered to the Swedish army without firing a shot.

The separation of Ivangorod from Narva during the Swedish time 1617 - 1711 was only adminstrative. The border between Jaama (Jamburg) and Estonia provinces run on the middle course of Narva River. Narva belonged to Estonia and Ivanslått to Jaama.

In Imperial Russian time, old Swedish created province districts were retained by Peter the Great. Jaama province was little later merged to Izhora (Inkere) province, but the district border remained in the middle of Narva River. In 1870 - 1916 Narva developed to an industrial town and most of the big enterprises which were founded, like Kalevi Manufacture and Narva Linen Manufacture were located on the eastern side of the Narva River. The best known of the enterprises, the Krenholm Manufactur was on the Estonian side. But part of the Krenholm Manufacture factories, located on Krenholmi saar (island) which is located in the middle of Narva River, is today located in Russian side of not confirmed border.

After the independence of Estonia in February 1918 Ivangorod was included also admistrationally to the Town of Narva. It was renamed to Jaama Eeslinn, because of its suburb like appearance compared to Estonian side where all adminstrative buildings were located.

This all is printed in Estonian maps published during period 1920 - 1939. On the middle of Narva River road bridge the Tallinna maantee changed its name to Ingeritee. The most important south - north road on estern side of river was named south of the railway Oudava maantee (landroad), inside Narva town area Uus Liin (New Castle) and north of the east west Ingeritee it continued as Haidemaja tän, then before Telliskevi suburb (Brickstone) as Popovka tee (road).

The Swedish fortress on Estonian side was in 1918 -1940 Narva liin with Paks bastion.

JN

Ivangorod, Ukraine
According to this maplandia search, Ivangorod, Ukraine is a place name associated with Chernihivska. In this Wikipedia, Ivangorod appears only as a town in Russia (near Estonia). "Ivangorod, Ukraine" appears on the website of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum as a location of Einsatzgruppen killings. I'm interested in information that will differentiate and clarify these place names, with the possible eventual creation of a new page and disambiguation between them. -- Deborahjay (talk) 16:56, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There are, actually, four places in Ukraine called "Ivanhorod" (notice the difference in romanization). All four of them are minor villages and yes, one of them is in Chernihiv Oblast.  Neither has any connection with this Ivangorod in Russia.  A disambiguation page could be helpful; if one is to be created, it's probably best to create it at Ivanhorod and link Russian Ivangorod via a "see also" entry.  Hope this helps.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:12, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Polish Ivangorod (Dęblin)
I think that a disambiguation note is really needed here, because "Ivangorod" was an important russian strong point during WWI and is referenced in the bibliography with this name. You may see for example Great Retreat (Russian) --Schickaneder (talk) 08:26, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I have re-instated the hatnote per this. Thanks for catching this.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 29, 2010; 13:18 (UTC)

local language minority
Encyclopedia of the Stateless Nations, editor James Minahan, p 2018 names the town in that language as "Jaanilidna" in the article about Vadja people 82.181.234.211 (talk) 16:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Treaty ratified?
Has the Estonian-Russian Border Treaty now been ratified? According to the Petseri County article it has been (at least in Estonia) and is now in effect. Zangar (talk) 00:12, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

No, the border treaty still has not been ratified. The treaty signed in 2005 was indeed ratified by the Estonian parliament, but never by the Russian parliament because of references to the Tartu Peace Treaty. In 2012, a new treaty was signed by the foreign ministers of both countries but it still remains unratified. The Russian side is still unwilling to accept any references linking the modern-day border treaty and the original Tartu Peace Treaty from 1920. SchumiChamp (talk) 11:17, 25 March 2017 (UTC)