Talk:Ivor the Engine

Spelling!
Should not this character be Ifor the Engine? Note: Welsh spelling! 86.22.72.64 (talk) 20:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No. Article uses the most common spelling. Variations can be noted in the text, if supported by references...
 * EdJogg (talk) 00:58, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * A look at http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/RN9B4CYJ13ZUD might just be sufficient to convince you! 86.22.72.64 (talk) 19:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * To avoid anyone else having to follow the link, this opens a review by someone who has registered on Amazon as "Ifor the engine", who may well have been the above contributor! So, no, it does not convince me...
 * EdJogg (talk) 14:33, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Here is a reference which is just a tad more convincing: http://www.kent.ac.uk/research/reports/report01-02/research.html - I hope! Hair Commodore (talk) 15:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * One review of some completely unrelated book by someone who's independently chosen that name for themselves, and a completely unexplained dead link to some random paper at an out of the way university, vs a well-established canon that has a character named with a particular spelling by an english writer for a show made in english for a mainly english-speaking audience? Um... no. You may have better luck going over to the Fireman Sam article and arguing that it should be titled Sam Tân, because that was at least what the welsh version of its original parallel bilingual production was named. This is a place for factual record, not your overbearing and leaky agendas. 87.113.139.90 (talk) 14:00, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The answer is pretty simple. Look at the opening titles of any of the films. It's Ivor. Postgate wasn't Welsh. And even though Ivor himself lived in the "top left-hand corner of Wales" there is no evidence that he was Welsh speaking or preferred a Welsh spelling! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:10, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Mr Dinwiddy
Isn't there an episode where Mr Dinwiddy gives the game away that he is in fact a leprecaun (or whatever the welsh equivalent is)... will try and find the quote... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.163.66.131 (talk) 19:30, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

OR in Character descriptions ?
I have removed the following recent addition as it contains rather a lot of Original Research and speculation. I don't remember the episodes concerned, but with suitable references, some of this could be returned to the article in due course.


 * Ivor
 * Ivor is a fancifully designed 0-4-0T type locomotive with an inside cylinder arrangement. From the isometric pictures of his chassis in episode 11, it looks like he might have three cylinders and be a compound engine.  He is however rendered far more realistically in the technical aspect then some other locomotives in television shows.  He is Coal-fired, and has water fed to the boiler by an injector-pump rather then by a water-injector, as mentioned in the original 1958 episodes.


 * Juggernaut
 * Juggernaut is really a truck with a lorry engine and cab with railway wheels. He was built to take Ivor's jobs while he is away. He worked good for a few weeks, until he kept breaking down, and causing trouble. His brakes failed and he slid off a cliff into the lake, nearly killing Idris the Dragon. Nobody knew what happened to it afterwards. Maybe his remains were recovered and sold for scrap, or maybe he's still there under the water in the lake.

(end) EdJogg (talk) 22:28, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * YouveGotToBeKiddingMe.jpg
 * Suitable reference: watching the show.
 * I mean, seriously. I have the disc right here. If you want to refresh your memory, I'll lend you it, on the proviso that it actually comes back after. I should hope this doesn't count as OR. If so, I will add a page to my own website with screenshots showing this stuff and you can use it as a citation. 87.113.139.90 (talk) 14:14, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If your website is WP:RS that last suggestion sounds ideal. Thanks! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:18, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikia 'reference'
I know this cannot count as a Reliable Source, but the Wikia wiki may be of use for research. For example,
 * http://ivortheengine.wikia.com/wiki/Juggernaut

shows a screenshot of Juggernaut, confirming (a) that the vehicle is not made-up and (b) that it looked like a lorry.

EdJogg (talk) 10:46, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * We really needed to cite something that appears as partial focus of one of the episodes and can be easily seen by just renting or (cheaply) buying the DVDs, or looking on youtube? Gawdstrewth.


 * Also, it is basically just an old, broken-down road truck that's had its wheels swapped for those off a goods wagon at a suitable offset for the rail gauge, and railway couplings welded on each end. Much like the typical "rail buses" of old that were literally road buses with railway wheels (much easier to maintain a pair of rails and solid wheels than an actual roadway when that might be the only vehicle that regularly travels the route). Needs must, when your only genuine locomotive has vanished but there's still work to be done. Its speed and tractive power would probably have been that of a typical small diesel shunter. Not much, certainly not up to Ivor's level, but a useful stopgap all the same.


 * Also "Juggernaut" is a nowadays rarely used but still not unknown old british term for a heavy goods lorry. Last I saw it was a couple days ago on the BBC's "Domesday Reloaded" site (where, in 1986, a child was describing the "juggernauts" driving in and out of a local industrial estate). So it's a very fitting, and moreover entirely descriptive name.


 * Not sure how that seems to be a difficult concept for some people round 'ere to wrap their heads around :-) 87.113.139.90 (talk) 14:05, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

"The Adventures of Ho" ?
Is this title correct, or partly missing/vandalised? I can find nothing else about it on Google. Equinox ◑ 05:51, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I think it should be, The Journey of Master Ho. It was Postgate's first stop motion work, made as a silent film for deaf children. TV for deaf children was quite a direction at this time (see Vision On and Wilf Lunn's career). Then we got vaccines and childhood deafness reduced dramatically. Maybe they'll show re-runs in the US soon? Andy Dingley (talk) 09:03, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

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