Talk:Iwrestledabearonce

Deathcore
That's what they are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GhostOfKarelia (talk • contribs) 03:06, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably, but Gunmetal Angel reverted some edits saying that the band is deathcore, and I followed suit. I think it has to do with it not being sourced. Backtable Speak to Me  about what I have done  03:53, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * They resemble mathcore quite a bit, and it's been referenced in many places72.225.6.101 (talk) 03:07, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That's cool. Do you mind putting some of those references here on the talk page? Backtable Speak to Me  about what I have done  04:29, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's pretty cool how Backtable has this page under lockdown and isn't affraid to get cocky about it. Iwrestledabearonce are not deathcore, mathcore maybe, but yeah... avant-garde metal is the only thing that's staying on here, possibly for the rest of all of Wikipedia's existence. Read the article for avant-garde, it's a term to describe "expierimental metal" or to "break-down the walls to get further into other genres", which is exactly what IWABO is, and accordingly Wikipedia's policiy describes that this is generic enough for an article on subject. If you want another genre listed on the article, then bring your sources here. Furthermore, I'd like to make the statement that it's getting pretty annoying that IPs are constantly ignoring the hidden comments, I feel like it's time to give warnings to the ones that decide to be childish and do this further. • GunMetal Angel  07:25, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I find your actions to confront this flow of unconstructive edits applaudable. Also, thanks for the complements; I am glad to be of service. I hope that the genre editing doesn't keep up. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 21:22, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * As the members of IWABO would say, "fuck genres". • GunMetal Angel  02:33, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Yea... Definitely not "heavy metal". Don't know what genre I'd call it, somewhere in the mix of Grind/Math/Deathcore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.65.245.210 (talk) 16:53, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The reason why "heavy metal" has been used is because of its generic nature. I and the others know that the band is not a traditional metal band, and, since this band's music is hard to define, that is a convenient generic term. It is a pretty useless task to pigeonhole genres to bands, especially this band and other bands with ambiguous musical styles. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 02:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree that it's useless to pigeonhole bands of this degree of experimentation, but I think it's safe to replace heavy metal with avant-garde metal in the introduction. Based on discussion here on the talk page, it seems that avant-garde metal has been agreed upon as an acceptable representation of the band's music. ♫ Chris-B-Koolio ♫   ... (Talk)   21:11, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for that though? Discussion is irrelevant in the absence of sources. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 09:22, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

http://www.yellmagazine.com/iwrestledabearonce-new-album-tour-dates/9131/ That seems to support avant-garde metal and metalcore. ♫ Chris-B-Koolio ♫   ... (Talk)   19:24, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Make A New Page/Add?
It's All Happening (2009) {{Infobox Album
 * Name       = It's All Happening
 * Type       = studio
 * Artist     = iwrestledabearonce
 * Cover      = iwrestledabearonce.jpg
 * Released   = {{Start date|2009|6|02}}
 * Length     = 31:40
 * Label      = Century Media
 * Producer   =
 * Reviews    = Review Rinse Repeat 9.0|10 http://www.reviewrinserepeat.com/2009/06/02/iwrestledabearonce-its-all-happening-review/

Track Listing You Ain't No Family  3:46 White Water In The Morning  3:51 Danger In The Manger  2:19 I'm Cold And There's Wolves After Me  2:58 Tastes Like Kevin Bacon  3:19 The Cat's Pajamas  3:22 Pazuzu For The Win  4:00 Black-Eyed Bush  2:28 Eli Cash vs. The Godless Savages  3:55 See You In Shell  3:22

Band members, band line-up.
A staple of wikipedia articles about musical groups is that there is a section devoted to the members of the group and what instrument they play. That is missing form this article. Therefore, I will request that that section be added here. Thank you. Backtable Speak to Me about what I have done  03:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I decided to do it myself. I don't know if it's ompletely up to date, but it seems like it is. Backtable Speak to Me  about what I have done  22:53, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was not possible. Closed early as it is not technically possible to perform this move (see Naming conventions (technical restrictions)). Instead, lowercase title must be used. -kotra (talk) 03:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC) kotra (talk) 03:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Iwrestledabearonce → iwrestledabearonce — The capitilization of the article is incorrect. I feel this should be corrected. Although it may seem insignificant, I believe it's important Krazycev13 (talk) 21:07, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Please view . 「 ɠu¹ɖяy 」 ¤ • ¢ 21:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


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Avant-garde metal...
It says in the article their style is a fusion of numerous genres, "but primarily metalcore". Shouldn't that be noted, alongside avant-garde metal, in the infobox? Avant-garde metal covers a lot of ground, like the blend of genres dominated by metal, but the "primarily metalcore" sound is probably noteworthy, especially since it is such a major part of their sound. Perhaps "avant-garde metalcore"? PhoenixSunburn (talk) 15:33, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, sure; Wikipedia an encyclopedia! It's a perfect place to spawn ridiculous nonsense genres. • GunMetal Angel  07:15, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

They are not Avant-garde music is a term used to characterize music which is thought to be ahead of its time, i.e. containing innovative elements or fusing different genres. They sample sound effects, movies, disco, and electronic music that is neither ahead of it's time in method nor in practice. Samples and musical diversions are not a fusion nor are they anything new or experimental. I am pleased to correct this. in additon, allmusic.com lists the following genres under their name: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Surisis (talk • contribs) 19:19, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Grindcore
 * 2) Heavy Metal
 * 3) Progressive Metal


 * First off, "ahead of its time" is a loosely-defined term that is ambiguous in nature. Feel free to find a source to back up the genres you are claiming iwrestedabearonce to be, but it has been established by Gunmetal Angel that this is what is to be on this page. Avant-garde music is stated to be experimental in nature and the sampled sounds does not stop it from being avant-garde, nor would it necessarily promote it being such a genre of music. If you want to state it as being grindcore, deathcore, or whatever, make sure to source it with a reliable information displayer; that is a policy of wikipedia. I find it somewhat unfortunate that this page seems to be a hotspot for genre feuding. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 19:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * PS: Allmusic shouldn't be sourced in order to say which bands play which genres. They have up to nine genres listed, and that would be at conflict with wikipedia's customs. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 19:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, Backtable; genres aren't warranted based upon that box on Allmusic, that's a "styles" box which is only there to give people an idea of what the music is. Wikipedia sources genres from Allmusic upon which is said in the review text. As for the disruptive editor we're dealing with here; Just give it up, man. Read the WP policies before you decide to vandalize. IWABO are avant-garde, which is experimental metal and have described as "experimental" by numerous reviewers. If you think they're grindcore, I think there is seriously something wrong with you. • GunMetal Angel  10:21, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * As for allmusic being cited for genres, I don't mind being corrected about that. I was just looking at the "styles" part of it, which I guess threw me off. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 18:57, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, it's okay. And you're welcome in advance. I was mainly getting my point across to this guy that Iwrestledabearonce are not a grindcore band. People nowadays are confused what it even is, or was for that matter seeing how it's a dead genre that never went mainstream. This is grindcore, listen to this for about a minute in to get the general picture. I'm looking to bring clarity to people trolling this page of what is and isn't grindcore, not that I am a fan of it or really listen the genre much but unlike others; I actually know what it is. -- GunMetal Angel  04:22, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "I'm looking to bring clarity to people trolling this page of what is and isn't grindcore, not that I am a fan of it or really listen the genre much but unlike others; I actually know what it is." - GunmetalAngel. Yeah, as your lone example of grindcore, genre generally made up of lyrics from leftist views, is some white power band. No mention of Napalm Death, Carcass, Pig Destroyer, Nasum, Assuck, Sore Throat, etc. 70.117.159.198 (talk) 09:09, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't like the song either, to be honest, and the bands mentioned are indeed grindcore. However, this place, being an iwrestledabearonce wikipedia article talk page, isn't an ideal place to talk about what is grindcore and what isn't. Talk pages like these are designed for discussions concerning the betterment of wikipedia and wikipedia articles, not necessarily to talk about prominent bands of certain genres. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 01:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Wow, so just because I made an example of what grindcore truly is, you go and point something out that is way off topic. Who cares if they're neo-Nazis? Are the people in that song making music or stabbing black people with pitchforks? Shut up, kid. Anyway; there's generally no real other way to settle this than what I displayed, grindcore is yes, Pig Destroyer, Discordance Axis and a few others bands that I care no longer to look into, but grindcore is not IWABO. There may be influence, but saying that is their main genre is an ignorant statement. • GunMetal Angel  20:54, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Mathcore
Hey, I'm changing the genre to mathcore. Like Dillinger, Converge & Lethargy before them, they incorporate elements of Hardcore punk in their music like breakdowns & blast beats. They're not Avant-Garde Metal. That's more Meshuggah, Demilich, Gorguts (Obscura). Don't look at it as a bad thing. I'm just saying they're a mixture of metal & punk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.16.7.154 (talk) 12:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for notifying us about that. However, I do not want to come off as rude, but that may have to be reverted. This page is something of a hotspot for genre changing, and there is an invisible warning discouraging genre changing. Although I do commend you for going to the talk page, as the invisible text encourages. I'm not saying I agree with your reasoning to change the genre, but at least you didn't ignore the warning entirely. I'll get another opinion on this issue. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 23:36, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * PS: Reliable sources work well on Wikipedia. With all due respect, you could be pushing on the original research policy. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 23:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * RV per WP:RS. We do not do opinions or original research on Wikipedia whatsoever. • GunMetal Angel  01:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Experimental metal
They are Experimental metal. Simple. As. That. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.65.119.68 (talk) 04:14, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "Simple. As. That." is not a great reason to label them as such. I hope there is a source which also says that they are an experimental metal band. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 07:01, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Isn't their music a source?? Have you listened to them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.65.245.210 (talk) 16:55, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * By Wikipedia standards, music itself can't be sourced for information. But yeah, listening to the music is an acknowledgeable means by which to determine the genre(s). However, once people listen to the music, they will assert that the band is this genre or that genre, and that is where the problem lies. There is constant feuding on the genre description of this band on this page because of how people determine the genres like this. I actually liked it when there was not a genre section in the infobox. It is ridiculous how much traffic this article gets on genres alone. Oh, and I have definitely listened to their music. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 02:00, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Reviewer protection

 * Maybe a reviewer protection should be added this article.... Just a suggestion. =/ Creation7689 (talk) 02:32, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I was going to respond to your post earlier, but I had forgotten to do that; I apologize for that. As for my actual response, I'm afraid that I don't know what you mean by "reviewer protection". Is it possible to explain what you mean? It doesn't appear to be recognized on the Protection policy page. By the way, I do notice that you are a reviewer, as I am. Happy editing. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 22:50, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Could you...
Could you add there a "Female Fonted American 'Genre' Band" Its more catchy and gets more attention. If you dont mind? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Symphonicify (talk • contribs) 00:16, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

vocal style
They're vocal style is definitely just like death metal/grindcore, have the people that made this page even listened to this band? But I do agree with the avant-garde metal part, I just don't see why it can't have a couple different genres up there, at least three. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dearsonist (talk • contribs) 05:42, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * So what you're practically saying is you're actually determining types of music over what the singing is? Aren't you even aware vocals are the least important part of music? Here's an example of what you're basically saying here: "This movie is a drama film, I know it because the credits roll at the ending all fast and shit." -- GunMetal Angel  07:41, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Genre and musical style
I haven't come here intending to prove the editors who have defended this articles genre in the infobox wrong, because they have been right to do so. I've gathered a few sources with quotes which seemed good for elaborating on the musical style section and with quite a colourful array of genres from each one we could source the musical style alot more and even expand it to describe their chaos in text. Maybe at some point we may find concensus on their genre and include a agreed on in the infobox (personaly i hope we can source mathcore, avant-garde metal and experimental Metal more). But until then I plan to help develop the article. Jonjonjohny (talk) 10:10, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * - Avant-garde metal, grindcore, electro, jazz, hillbilly music
 * - Avant-garde jazz, grindcore, synthpop
 * - Progressive metal, grindcore
 * - Grindcore, experimental Metal "I would be foolish to overlook Krysta Cameron’s incredibly polished vocals. Her scream is as crisp as ever and it’s clear that this past year of constant touring and writing has helped her find her niche. She defines this album. Her singing is beautiful and serine."
 * - Progressive metal, jazz "technical mish-mash of progressive metal, full-throated hardcore, operatic female vocals and lounge jazz"
 * - Jazz, Grindcore, electro "both a mix of Portishead-esque synths and hint-of-Björk vocals, lend a bit of diversity and make this bunch stand out."
 * It's not bad that you've done research like this. This sort of thing can definitely be added to the Musical style section on the page, because those do seem like usable sources. Also, the infobox's genre area being blanked is a result of all the genre feuding that has been going on. I don't think it should be re-added just yet. Maybe one day, if the genre changing slows down, then it can happen, with sources, maybe such as these sources. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 04:46, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * So based upon sources in the musical style it seams right to have metalcore, grindcore and avant-garde metal right? Jonjonjohny (talk) 14:30, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The genre is Metalcore, plain and simple. 74.101.67.40 (talk) 08:03, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

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