Talk:J. F. R. Jacob

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References and external links are extremely messy. Needs a picture and I question the necessity of the Jewish template. It's just barely a B article and definitely could use a bit of polishing. Good amount of info though. --Psychless  Type words  or read things!  03:34, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Interesting Article, poorly written
great potential Stoopideggs2 05:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Biography
JFR Jacob (Jacob-Farj-Rafael Jacob) was born in 1923.His family origiinally from Iraq settled in Kolkata appoximately 150 years back. At age nine, his father, a successful businessman, sent him to a boarding school named Victoria Boys' School in the town of Kurseong in Darjeeling district, about 500 kilometers from Calcutta. From then on, he only went home on school holidays. In 1941, at age 18, he enlisted in the Indian army, which was under British command against his father's wishes. But the atrocities of the Nazis and their treatment of the Jews, were instrumental in his descision of being a military man. Upon his enlistment, Jacob joined an artillery brigade that was dispatched to North Africa to reinforce the British army against the German army under Field Marshal Erwin Rommel. The brigade arrived after the battles were over. From there, Jacob's unit was sent to Burma where he fought for three years against the Japanese.

General Jacob gained prominent fame in his homeland when he headed the Indian army forces that vanquished the Pakistani army in the war that broke out between the two countries in 1971, over control of the Bangladesh region (which after the war became an independent state, having formerly been East Pakistan). For his decisive role in the sweeping victory, Jacob was granted a commendation of merit.

General Jacob is a graduate of artillery schools in England and the United States and specialized in advanced artillery and missiles. Prior to his appointment as commander of the Eastern Command (along the Bangladesh front), he commanded an infantry and artillery division.

He retired from the military in 1978, following 37 years of service. Jacob tried his hand in the business world, but remained in close contact with government echelons. In the late `90s, he became the governor of the Goa province, and subsequently became the governor of the state of Punjab, which borders Kashmir.

Since the establishment of diplomatic relations between India and Israel, Jacob has paid many visits to Israel. Prime minister Yitzhak Rabin invited him to attend the Jerusalem 3,000 celebrations. On his recent visit here, he even contributed items of Judaica from his parent's home to the Museum of Babylonian Jewry in Or Yehuda. His home in New Delhi has for years been a pilgrimage site for Israeli diplomats, researchers and security officers.

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If "J. F. R. Jacob" (the article's current name) = "Jacob-Farj-Rafael Jacob", should this article's name be "JFR Jacob" or "J-F-R Jacob", perhaps with hatnote explaining the abbreviation...? Sardanaphalus (talk) 14:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

The following is an explanation for the edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=J._F._R._Jacob&diff=328023740&oldid=310685482

The term 'right wing' is hard to define in the Indian context.

Unlike Islam (which deems you an "infidel" if you are not an adherent) and Christian Orthodoxy (where you are apparently a "sinner" if you haven't accepted Jesus as your savior), Hinduism is not an exclusive theology. Many teachings of Hinduism explicitly encourage pursuing a spiritual path of one's choosing for reaching salvation (moksha). Therefore, even in the "Hindu Politics" context, it is hard to pin down what amounts to "right wing" religio-political ideology.

What the BJP says is that Hinduism forms the foundation of the 5000+ year old Indian civilization, which is a factual viewpoint, and based on that, proposes the political ideology that India should be rooted in Hindu cultural ethos. That ideology can be compared to notion that Israel is and must remain the "Jewish State." In some sense, one can compare the BJP (Indian context) to the Kadima party (Israeli context) or the mainstream of the Democratic party (in the US context). BJP's economic policy is pro-growth, but they also launched many populist programs in the latter years of the Vajpayee administration. On "national security" matters and "hawkishness" therein, once again, BJP could be compared with most US Democratic party administrations (eg, FDR, Kennedy and Obama admins.) Indian communist party mainstreams would be comparable to Kucinich-type left-progressive Democratic views. In terms of dogmatism, fringes of the communist parties would align with Nader-style "far left" in the US, and Shiv Sena could probably be compared to the "tea party" style "right wing" in the US (but even that needs to be viewed in the context of Islamic fundamentalism, radicalism and terrorism, all of which do exist in various degree in India, and all of which are to be considered even more rancorous "right wing" by comparison. See: http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Persecution_of_non-Muslims ). Sure, these opinions have a personal view component in them, but so does one's use of the term 'right wing' itself; to illustrate, staunch Naderites would, and some do, call the perfectly progressive Howard Dean and Al Gore "rightwingers", whereas some fringe rightwingers are known to brandish them as "far-left wing loons."

Therefore, subjectivity is inescapable in such labeling, and it is in general best to deprecate the use of polemical labels such as "right wing" for the purposes of the wikipedia documentation, in this contributor's opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsz4 (talk • contribs) 11:24, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

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