Talk:J. Hartwell Harrison

Use of 'Dr.' in front of names
We should only use surnames in the article once we've given a person's full name. We don't use 'Dr', see WP:CREDENTIAL. Dougweller (talk) 17:30, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Citation for name
I hope we can all agree that this is a perfectly good reference for Harrison's full name, right? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 04:20, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Per MOSBIO and usual practice for biographies, we should document all the person's names, but the lede should also mention that he normally didn't use his first given name "John". I'd also like to thank Carmarg4 for his/her excellent work on this article. Please don't get discouraged or upset over issues like this. 67.117.130.143 (talk) 18:02, 26 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Dr. Harrison 1) is not an author of the above referenced article, and 2) did not use "John" in his signature within the article. Note as well that the signatures are not originals and have been inserted into the article, per the following statement at the end of the article: "All individuals are correctly identified, and copies of their signatures provided." The name "John" has not been established as his given name. The cited article's research is also grossly flawed - note in the section referring to Dr. Harrison, the statement that Thomas Jefferson is buried on the grounds at the University of Virginia. Anyone who has read any article on Thomas Jefferson or toured  Jefferson's home, Monticello, knows that Jefferson is buried there, and not at the University of Virginia. 24.125.211.3 (talk) 22:24, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The cite above doesn't claim that Jefferson was buried at UVa, just that Harrison's widow was told Jefferson was buried at UVa. I'm a bit confused as to what Harrison's signature has to do with his birth name. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 06:26, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No reasonably reliable author would assume, without verifying it, that UVa officials would maintain Jefferson was buried there, much less tell that to the widow of a UVa board member. This absurdity renders the sources for the cite unreliable. As to the signature, the article gives the impression that Harrison signed his name above the typed name of "John Hartwell Harrison" and therefore acknowledged that as his full name. The fact that copies of the signatures were inserted precludes that conclusion. Therefore, yet to be found is a reliable source to indicate Harrison's acknowledged name, or birth name, was anything other than J. Hartwell Harrison. 24.125.211.3 (talk) 14:33, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * No luck with Harrison's textbook, Campbell's Urology. 24.125.211.3 (talk) 15:46, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Ditto, in Murray's Nobel Lecture and in Boston Globe obit. 24.125.211.3 (talk) 16:29, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * No John found in any of the Harvard Med School refs. 24.125.211.3 (talk) 19:48, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I have to support the anon here: one utterly ludicrous statement within a source does cast doubt upon the reliability of that source as a whole. DS (talk) 17:30, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Why not just swap out the ref with ? NW ( Talk ) 17:52, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks reasonably authoritative. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:55, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Better than the above, though isolated, for sure. 24.125.211.3 (talk) 19:48, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ref swapped out with above and another one from TIME added. NW ( Talk ) 06:43, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

See added geneaology reference from J. Houston Harrison re John =birth name. Carmarg4 (talk) 16:46, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I have cut & pasted the Pool and Time cites to position below from article, since the Houston cite provides a better primary reference for the first name John. Feel free to re-insert if deemed appropriate. Carmarg4 (talk) 16:43, 1 January 2011 (UTC)




 * I added the cites back, because they were clearly about the subject of the article. The genealogy research only mentions his name, and doesn't explicitly connect him to his later work. Granted, it's highly unlikely it's anyone else, but given references that connect the dots for us, we should use them. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)