Talk:J. Milton Hayes

Given name appears to be John, not James
of March 2014 changed the given name of the article's subject from "John" to "James" without providing any source, or giving any other justification. This apparently reliable source, which predates Wikipedia, gives his name as "John". The only source I have found which gives it as "James" and which also predates the above-cited edit is this forum post of completely unkown reliability. I am therefore changing the name back to "John". David Wilson (talk · cont) 13:49, 4 February 2016 (UTC)


 * James is confirmed by birth registration (try FreeBMD);
 * Births Sep 1884  Hayes, James Milton	 	 Chorlton


 * and also The London Gazette entries, for example, 28 December 1915, Supplement 29420, Page 13017
 * "James Milton Hayes to be Second Lieutenant. Dated 31st December, 1915."
 * Nedrutland (talk) 14:28, 4 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the pointer to FreeBMD, where I found the birth registration you cite. I had already found online copies of The London Gazette supplements cited in the article, and was in the process of consulting them while you were preparing your reply.  I have now inserted external links to the relevant pages into the article.
 * There still seems to me to be a problem, however, in that it is not immediately obvious (not to me, at least ) whether the James Milton Hayes born in 1884, the one mentioned in The London Gazette, and the J.Milton Hayes who wrote The Green Eye of the Little Yellow God are all the same person, two different persons, or three different persons. While the first of these possibilities does seem to me to be the most likely—even in the face of another apparently reliable source's calling the poem's author  "John"—it nevertheless still seems to me to be far from certain, at least on the evidence I have so far been able to gather.
 * But even if I had found the evidence completely convincing, the conclusion that the subject's given name is "James" would still clearly be based on original research that is apparently not yet verifiable from any reliable sources. Thus, the article's bare unqualified statement that its subject's given name is "James", and its unqualified identification of him as the person mentioned in The London Gazette, still seems to me to be contrary to Wikipedia's policy on verifiability of its content.
 * David Wilson (talk · cont) 23:38, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

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