Talk:J. P. Patches

Images
I changed the image on the front page to one that seemed more fitting. Still, I like the original one and will preserve it here until someone comes up with a mor fun way to display it. --24.17.217.219 16:56, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Daryl Laub, and the timing of things
Googling around, I found some references saying that Daryl Laub created the J.P. Patches character and/or possibly played him for a few years before Chris Wedes did, possibly at WTCN-TV in the Twin Cities (today KARE). None of the dates and locations seem to mesh properly, though. It's somewhat unclear if both of the men worked in Minnesota as well as in Washington&mdash;Laub may have theoretically bounced from WTCN to KIRO and then back to MN to work at KSTP-TV in the space of a few years. Just a factoid to check on. &mdash;User:Mulad (talk) 07:17, Dec 30, 2004 (UTC)


 * Alright, I found a decent page with info on this: http://www.tvparty.com/losttwin.html A few bits from this stuff is incorporated in the article now.    &mdash;User:Mulad (talk) 00:52, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)

I remember...
Watching JP Patches for years as a adolescent/pre-teen/teen. One was never too old to watch Julius Pierpont Patches. :) Such fond and wonderful memories! [-- 63.163.28.170 17:57, Nov 30, 2005 (UTC)]

Style
Summary: + txt, cit, so cl, rephrased; see Talk. Explication: See Talk:Seattle, Citing sources.

To reduce so much red in the article, non-existent internal links moved here to Talk. They can be moved back to the article as the pages are created: Sturdley the Bookworm, Esmerelda, Ketchikan the Animal Man, Boris S. Wort, Ggoorrsstt the Friendly Frpl, Gertrude. Bob Newman "Patches Pals", "ICU2TV"  Lunch with Casey  Better, add sub-headings to this article : ) as long as the article isn't too big.

A References section, which contains only citations, helps readers to see at a glance the quality of the references used. (WP: Citing sources # "References" section in addition to "Notes")

See Talk:Seattle, Citing sources. "External Links" -> "Further reading", per MoS. Further reading/external links. "Retrieved [date]", since on-line reference links can break, (per Embedded links).

--GoDot 01:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Accuracy
+ from http://www.olyblog.net/evergroove37 (is there a more formal source, verifiable author and story?), per What sources to cite

Do any previous contributors have sources? --Re. Matt Groening?Citation needed Why. (Not internal : ) (Krusty the Clown seems rather too cynical and jaded for J. P. to've been anything but an antithesis. By today's (Krusty's) standards, J.P.'s girlfriend was a clown butch drag queen : )

Matt Groening states time and again in the DVD commentaries for The Simpsons that Krusty is largleybased on Rusty Nails (Portland's equivalent to JP). However, it should be obvious to the careful observer that many JP references have found their way onto The Simpsons. One example is on an episode featuring Bart's birthday. Bart eagerly awaits to see his name scroll by on the Krusty show. One of those names is none other than JP Patches (you have to watch it one frame at a time to catch it).Bgrin 14:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

'Put 'em in, or here in Talk, someone will format if you d'ruther not.

"Mayor of the City Dump" link should be renamed Union Bay Natural Area, where the real City Dump was actually located, 1926-1966.

I totally disagree about the city dump link. It is true that the Former dump was located at the current Union Bay Natural area, but let us not forget: J.P. was a Clown on a TV show. He was the mayor of the dump only in his fictional world - not the mayor of the actual dump. He was still the mayor of the dump after the Union Bay site was closed, after all... I'll give this a while to percolate, but then I'm going to edit this sillyness.Hrmph! 23:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * With accuracy a Wikipedia goal, the purported fiction of J. P. is by this article put to rest.

--GoDot 01:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * As a watcher of the program, I don't believe the "City Dump" was intended to represent any particular dump, but "the" city dump. I thought it was the dump in my town & am sure this view was shared by children in every town. rewinn 02:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree - why not just have a link to the generic "landfill" which is more representative of the concept of "city dump". "...mayor of the city dump..."Gr8white


 * "The city dump was (conceptually if not in reality) the Montlake Landfill (since 1972 athletic fields, car park, and the Union Bay Natural Area of the University of Washington in the University District)." Huh?  This seems to be totally superfluous and has nothing to do with the program I remember.Gr8white

Copyedit
The main article had accumulated research notes that don't really fit in the main article; the TOC was half-way down the page, and the various Patches pals were scattered. I hope to have copyeditted this into a crisp condition. Here are the research notes :

''Research: Character name search of the Internet Movie Database  "The character 'j. p. patches' (using whole word searching) has been played by:  Nobody found with character name 'j. p. patches'".

Wonderful before school children's T.V. with cartoons, end time: 8:30 A.M. JP made appearances at regional schools and events.''

I'm somewhat new as a contributor to Wikipedia, but I question the redirect of Chris Wedes to J.P. Patches... he did other things, including the mad doctor on the late-night horror show in the early 1970s -- it either predated, or was contemporary with Nightmare Theater with Joe Towey. His muse was a skull he called "Pamela". But otherwise he did the same schtick. One was on Friday night, the other on Saturday night as I recall. I think Wedes' version was fairly short-lived, and the Count continued with Nightmare theater on his own?

None of this is mentioned on the Patches page or Nightmare Theater page. And this Wedes role doesn't seem related to the J.P Patches character, which is why it seems like it should have a separate link. Or maybe under Nightmare Theater? I don't remember if Wedes' show used the same or a different name as Towey's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Professor Hosquith (talk • contribs) 23:43, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Krusty and JP
You know, I don't mean to quibble, but someone added a citation to the article which supposely states that Krusty is based on JP, yet there is absolutley nothing in that article that references JP, Chirs Wedes or even Seattle. http://www.silverbox.com/krusty/debate1.html

In fact, there are perhaps a dozen theories in this article--some of them pretty wild--and yet no hint of JP anywhere. So, I ask, where is the grand proof in this citation that it was even rumored that Krusty is based even in part on JP?

I suggest this citation be removed for the balderdash that it so obviously is.

The one officially acknowleged JP reference in the Simpsons is in the episode Radio Bart where Bart watches his name (and JP's) name go by on the TV screen on his birthday.````

Christ on a crutch, I cannot believe that some nattering nabob of negativism is still questioning the link between Krusty and J.P.! I was the one who first cited, on Wikipedia, the obvious nods to J.P. on The Simpsons, and, yes, I cited a blurb I wrote myself outlining all the references. Technically, in the Wiki context I'm citing myself, but just follow the footnote to the write-up. Rusty Nails may be the main model for Krusty but the Northwest was a small place back in the early 70's and the culture of Seattle bled down to Stumptown (that's Portland to all you flat-landers), where Groenig grew up. Hell, there was also a character on The Simpsons who was unquestionably a satire on Brakeman Bill (another Seattle-area kid's show host back in the day), so there is no doubt that Groenig or some of the other Simpsons writers have consciously referenced Northwest children's show hosts. Krusty also uses an obvious clone of the ICU2TV gag, a J.P. staple, in one of the early Simpsons episodes.

Chris Wedes (AKA J.P.) worked with my dad at KIRO. I am, this moment, looking at a picture on my desk of me at 14 standing with Chris in J.P. costume on the set of the show. (You can see Esmerelda sitting on a crate at the back.) I watched the show practically every morning when I was a kid. When The Simpsons started running, it was immediately obvious to me--and many other Seattle natives--that J.P. was one of the main models for Krusty.

My dog in this fight is not to insist that I'm right but to note that, unlike Herschel Krustofsky, Chris Wedes was a sweet, nice man. I mean, I get the brutally hilarious satire that is Krusty. But Chris was the total opposite of the stereotype of twisted clowns: he was just a nice KIRO line producer with an odd morning gig. Wabobo3 (talk) 22:27, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Christine Frost
Thanks 24.18.131.224, whoever you are, for catching my slip in calling Christine Frost Christine Wedes. --Haruo (talk) 12:38, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Music
The opening theme to J.P.'s show was obviously a mash-up of (Spike Jones' versions of) the William Tell Overture and Dance of the Hours. Less obvious is that the closing theme was a cover version of Neal Hefti's "Tomatoes", from the Odd Couple soundtrack. Asat (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:27, 3 December 2011 (UTC).

Gertrude
The article seems to me to suffer from a tremendous undervaluing of Gertrude (Bob Newman). While s/he may not be notable enough to deserve a separate page (I am not sure where the line is to be drawn in such a case), if not then s/he certainly does merit more detailed treatment on the J. P. Patches page than is now found there. --70.57.74.50 (talk) 19:20, 23 July 2012 (UTC) Seriously, the press coverage routinely headlines "J. P. Patches, Gertrude", yet we are given lots of details of Chris Wedes' life and nothing (not even birth year) about Newman. Gross inequality of treatment. Mind you, I love J.P., I'm not saying he doesn't deserve every byte of space he gets. But Gertrude should not be so blithely passed over. --70.57.74.50 (talk) 19:24, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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General cleanup
I just finished another general cleanup/reorganization, as I've done every couple of years for a decade. The article gets better... then it get cluttered with too many uncoordinated edits. The quality of information gradually, inexorably improves but the readability suffers. Hopefully there are no factual errors this time around, and some stability can be obtained. I agreed with an earlier editorial comment (from user 70.57.74.50) that the great Bob Newman needed some additional call-out, so I added a short section on him. Rock on Gertude! Rcarlberg (talk) 02:37, 24 December 2017 (UTC)