Talk:J. Watson Webb Jr.

Minor change made
Changed the incorrect starring actor of The Razor's Edge from Errol Flynn to Tyrone Power.Chandler75 (talk) 01:29, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

deaccessioning whose art?
the art in dispute over deaccessioning belonged originally to louisine elder havemeyer, who collected it in the first place. and she was his mother-in-law.50.101.53.84 (talk) 16:32, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Louisine Havemeyer was J. Waston Webb, Jr.'s grandmother. I don't dispute you're point about who collected the paintings in the first place.NRavenel (talk) 20:53, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Concern about the re-naming of this page.
Although it may be accurate genealogically speaking, I can find no reference to J. Watson Webb Jr. ever being referred to as "the III". , at Find-A-Grave: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=7482159 and the New York Times obituary http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/14/arts/j-watson-webb-former-head-of-the-shelburne-vt-museum.html all refer to him as J. Watson Webb, Jr. To avoid confusion, I think the original name of this article should be reinstated. - J. Van Meter (talk) 16:54, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * IMDb is said not to be a reliable source. The "Jr" referral is mentioned. It would be misleading to call him that, though- he was III since his father was II and great-grandfather was I. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 18:52, 26 January 2014 (UTC)


 * - Google turns up three hits for "J. Watson Webb III" = all going to one family tree on RootsWeb. "J. Watson Webb, Jr." turns up ten pages of hits. While IMBD may not be considered reliable, the NYT and the LA Times (http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jun/14/local/me-40827) certainly are. Webb went by "Jr." professionally - whether it was appropriate for him to do so is another question. For the sake of convention (three hits vs. ten pages) and even the man's gravestone, once again, I suggest that the article name be returned to the original. J. Van Meter (talk) 19:20, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I certainly don't question the reliability of New York Times or Los Angeles Times. However, suffixes are frequently misused in ways like that (reputation not withstanding). XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 19:52, 26 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The issue here is not the misuse of suffixes. The issue is that you have changed the title of an article from a person's professional and commonly-used (make that exclusively-used) used name to the one that you consider to be more appropriate. It is not helpful. There are at least a dozen wiki-links to J. Watson Webb Jr. There are none to J. Watson Webb III - because he never went by that name. Your change creates confusion. J. Van Meter (talk) 20:14, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it could be simply "J. Watson Webb", but definitely don't add "Jr" to title. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 21:30, 26 January 2014 (UTC)


 * - But the man went by "Jr." Omitting it from the title of the article (because a single contributor thinks it's inappropriate) just makes no sense. J. Van Meter (talk) 16:56, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

We have a very firm rule here, shortcutted as WP:COMMONNAME, to cover just such situations. His real name on his birth certificate could have been Balthazar Atreides yos'Galen ; but if he was known professionally as J. Watson Webb, Jr., if that is the name listed in film credits and encyclopedias of film, then our knowledge of his actual legal name is utterly moot. WP:COMMONNAME trumps legalities, which is why we have an article on Jerry Ford, not Leslie Lynch King, Jr.; and one on Bill Clinton, not William Jefferson Blythe III. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  02:28, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion
The proposed deletion I oppose.

I did, since the proposal, locate a second obituary -- this one from Los Angeles where the subject resided and his film editing career was based -- and integrated some additional details from it into the article. An IMDb citation also added some more substance.

The lack of additional, secondary online sources on the film career is unfortunate but a good many Wiki film articles (of his 30 credits) link to his article and those links would be left orphaned by deletion.

The subject's role in the history of Shelburne Museum, while also quite lightly documented in secondary online sources, is substantive and may well be augmented from book sources.

I would leave the template:refimprove on the page in case there are off-line book sources to be found. Swliv (talk) 17:28, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Someone agreed. Swliv (talk) 14:13, 14 January 2017 (UTC). Agreement was in part and only "maybe". Deletion-proposal template is gone for now. To bolster the article further, any offline sources -- notes on/from memoirs, studio histories et c. -- would be appreciated on this page or integrated directly into article. Cheers. Swliv (talk) 18:47, 15 January 2017 (UTC)