Talk:Jabran al-Qahtani

Application of NPOV on 2006/03/03
Especially the statement "If the Bush administration gets its way, they will face a "trial" before a military commission." seems to violate NPOV. Magdela 21:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Disagree. The use of military commissions, instead of military court martials of civilian courts, has been widely criticized.  The United States government has three branches, the Executive branch, the Legislative branch and the Judicial branch.  The three branches have different, but overlapping duties and responsibilities.  They are supposed to provide checks and balances on one another.


 * The Judicial and Legislative branches have already over-ruled some aspects of the Bush administration's extrajudicial detention policy for those suspected of association with terrorism. The US Supreme Court has already scheduled time to consider whether the military commissions are Constitutional.  They could over-rule the Bush administration on this aspect of his detainee policy.  So, saying, "if the Bush administration gets its way" is not an example of a biased POV.  It is a simple statement of fact.


 * Similarly, the commissions aren't trials. They are frequently called trials.  But calling them trials is an example of a biased POV.  The commissions are allowed to use hearsay evidence.  The commissions are allowed to use evidence extracted through torture.  The suspects are not allowed to know the evidence against them.


 * They are not trials. If Magdela thinks putting trials in quotes is an example of a biased POV I would encourage them to learn more about how different those proceedings are from real trials.  --  Geo Swan 00:38, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * When you say, "Similarly, the commissions aren't trials. They are frequently called trials.  But calling them trials is an example of a biased POV.  The commissions are allowed to use hearsay evidence.  The commissions are allowed to use evidence extracted through torture.  The suspects are not allowed to know the evidence against them." you are making a geat point for rewording this article. Putting trial in quotes is not a good way to explain that they are not standard trials. It would be more clear and factual to simply call them commissions or whatever they actually are (i'm no expert here) or include a link to the wikipedia page that explains how these are different from standard trials, if there is one. Furthermore, "gets its way" is a colloquial phrase that is not encyclopedic. I recommend rewording it as: The Bush administration intends to prosecute these detainees before a military commission. Magdela 19:25, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your explanation of the tag. My apologies for not noticing your reply when you left it.  I'll return here and take a good look at this article and its tags in the next week or so.  Cheers!  Geo Swan (talk) 17:26, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Could you please discuss...
This guy was captured in File:Safe house in Faisalabad where Abu Zubaydah was captured.jpg. I added this image to this article. At some point the image has been removed.

I'd like to ask whoever removed it to return here and explain why they thought the image should be removed.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 17:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

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