Talk:Jack Johnson (boxer)/Archive 1

some facts are wrong

 * his record is Won 83(52 ko's) Loss 14 Drawn 11 Total 126
 * his first pro fight was 2-1-1894 a knock out win over John Lee
 * no mention of the connection between the FBI and Johnson's title loss...?

Ali Fan
This guy really was amazing boxer, but is all this information accurate? Also, what are his records (longest bout, fastest bout, ext.)? Great intro but where is the information?

Unfortunatly Johnson's record, as were most boxers of the era, not very well kept considering the fact boxing was an illegal sport for much of the early late 1800's and early 1900's. A good source is the Cyber Boxing Zone at www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/jjohn.htm. I hope this helps. 64.12.116.139 00:29, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Spy text
There appears to be information here that has no business being here. There appears to be corrupted text in the middle of the document, or at least, misleading information. I thought Jack Johnson was a boxer, not a spy in France. 208.17.215.244 15:08, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC) Pungent Boxer refuses to take on English Contender fined £250 pounds I suppose this never existed either I can prover that it did If you dont believe me I'll see you in the USA Embasy Ballsbridge I suppose Jack Johnson refused to take on the British Heavy weight Because O'Neill from Myshall was far better?????
 * Indeed. I've commented out the mangled part, so at least it looks okay. But still, someone who knows anything about Jack Johnson should fix or remove that. It's been taken to reference desk. grendel|khan 07:19, 2004 Dec 29 (UTC)

Disambig?
Why can't we have this article at Jack Johnson (boxer) and then make Jack Johnson into a dis-ambiguation page?? 66.32.145.143 01:03, 23 May 2004 (UTC)


 * I would argue that this situation warrants a "Primary topic" disambiguation:
 * "if one meaning is clearly predominant, it remains at [for example] "Mercury", the general title. The top of the article provides a link to the other meanings, or if there are a large number, to a page named "Mercury (disambiguation)". For example: the page Rome has a link at the top to a page named "Rome (disambiguation)" which lists other cities named Rome. The page Cream has a link to the page Cream (band) at the top."
 * from Disambig
 * Hyacinth 02:44, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Between what?
In 1912 Freemans Journal Dublin Ireland Heavyweight Andrew O'Neill of DMP Police beat British Army Heavyweight, Was DMP Heavy weight and beat RIC Heavy weight. Sir Nevill Chamberlaine Head of RIC invited Jack Johnson to Dublin for a funding of a new Stadium South Circular Road Dublin. The Sparing took place between Johnson and O'Neill in the Theatre Royal Dublin, this was un-official. Jack Johnson joined the French Army in 1914 and did work for the Allies below is correct and I can prove it in the USA Embasy in Ballsbridge Dublin if you dont beleive me. Over
 * "Somewhere between this time period Jack Johnson was accused of being a pungent boxer who refused to take on English contender and fined £200. This was depicted in Dublin Newspaper Freemans Journal."

Between has to refer to two things. --Gbleem 02:14, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Conviction
I see nothing in this article or Mann Act to indicate that Johnson was fairly convicted, and I propose that the section header be changed from "Unfairly convicted?" to either "Unfairly convicted" or "Movement to overturn conviction" (or, to push, "Movement to overturn unfair conviction"). Hyacinth 02:40, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * I solved this problem by simply collapsing it into the legacy section, since it's still relevant and doesn't warrant an entire section. One sentence has no business being an entire section in any case (use subheads sparingly and one sentence paragraphs). If it is expanded into several paragraphs, it can be split off later. --Lexor|Talk 11:39, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)

Titanic Claim
Regarding the last paragraph in the Early Life section claiming Johnson was denied passage on the Titanic in 1912 while attempting to flee the country however it's my understanding that Johnson did not flee the country until June 1913. Although as the Titanic sank before arriving in New York considering he wasn't arrested for violation of the Mann Act until October 1912, several months after the sinking of the Titanic, it seems a moot point. Also John was married three times however I don't believe he had any children. 205.188.116.200 05:17, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * its an unture story, but its probably worth mentioning since songs were written about it MechBrowman 23:40, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

quote
Is there documentation for the quote "We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts."? I think that ought to have more proof, because it seems pretty nonsensical. Apol0gies 17:20, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The quotation comes from Al Stump's article "The rowdy reign of the Black avenger", True: The Man's Magazine Jan 1963. It is given as an example of Johnson's sense of humour. This publication is not a scholarly source and Stump does not give a reference other than citing "one reporter". He does make it clear that Johnson was referring only to himself, not to Blacks in general. The quote as originally given in this article is slightly wrong; it should read "jellied eels", not "cold eels". I have amended accordingly. Mikedash 11:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Etta Duryea?
There is a mention of Johnson being buried next to her, but she's not mentioned anywhere else in the text. --Grain king 02:41, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * She was his wife - she died 11 months into their marriage, supposedly a suicide. Some have speculated ther emay have been more to it than that, on the - to me flimsy - grounds that the method she chose (shooting herself in the head) is unusual for female suicides. Mikedash 11:28, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Victor McLaglen
This article claims that Johnson beat McLaglen...but the McLaglen article claims it was a no-contest bout with no winner. Anyone know which it was? 70.60.149.226
 * Geoffrey Ward's recent Johnson biography, which is reputable and referenced, says Johnson won the fight, but from the context it seems that there was no knock out. Ward, Unforgivable Blackness (London: Pimlico 2006) pp.139-40. The McLaglen article says the fight was a "No contest" bout, which meant it could be won only by a knockout, not on points or the referee's decision. Ward does not mention this, but if it's correct his account of the fight would imply it should have been ruled a "No contest". Various internet boxing sources either don't list the fight, probably on the grounds that a six-round contest does not count as a heavyweight title defence, or show the result as "no decision" or "no contest". See for example a response to a reader's query on the News'' site. On balance it seems that "no decision" was the outcome of this fight, the only one in which Johnson was matched against a future Oscar-winning actor. Mikedash 11:43, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * OK. That was some welcome information. Thank you. In light of the context of the fight, should the article to be changed to reflect this rather than plainly stating the Johnson beat McLaglen? 70.60.152.14


 * Be my guest. Mikedash 20:05, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * OK. I tried to adjust accordingly. Please feel free to revise if you feel that my wording wasn't precise enough. 70.60.152.14 07:15, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

The reason the McLaglen fight is not listed on some records such as BoxRec's, is that newspaper research has determined that it is an exhibition, and not a legitimate fight, or no-decision bout for that matter. It has been mislabeled as a professional bout in various sources, and like with many errors that appear in published record books, it persists because people continue to borrow from older sources in compiling records, and don't verify everything that is included.--Matt1978 19:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

picture
Would this photo be good to use? http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?ils:3:./temp/~pp_BHjf::

Bare-knuckle
Did Jack Johnson ever fight as a bare-knuckle boxer during is career? LindaWarheads 09:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Trouble with this sentence.... "The camera was stopped just as Johnson was finishing off Burns so that nobody could actually see Johnson becoming the champion." It has been more successfully argued that the filming continued but later edited/destroyed before the critical point in question.

Atheism
I wonder what has happened to Jack Johnson's reputation for outspoken atheism? A few years ago I saved a quote from his Wiki article: “. . .kicked out of church when he stated that God did not exist and that the church was a domination over people’s lives.” That's no oonger to be found in the current article. Mark Shulgasser wkkbooks@localnet.com 2001:5B0:23FF:2CF0:0:0:0:37 (talk) 16:57, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Popular Culture
I'm not usually one to edit Wiki articles, but I felt the need to jump in here. The fact that a punk band and the movie "Anchorman" appeared in the first paragraph discussing Jack Johnson's legacy seemed to me an act of "unforgivable whiteness". I moved some stuff around in a way that I think addresses the "relative importance" of various interpretations of Johnson in popular culture. Feel free to clean it up, but just be aware that anyone who comes here who knows anything about Johnson would be a little puzzled about why a punk band and Will Ferrel seem to get equal billing with Marsalis and Davis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.244.125.201 (talk) 13:21, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so my edit was reverted, due to "unsourced" comment. I just moved some stuff around and made a statement that maybe was unsourced but was obvious to anyone who knows who Jack Johnson was. You can check this history pages. If you want this page to be a joke for those who know anything about him, or an advertisement for your punk band, then continue as is. You are not helping wikipedia build credibility though.

A question that maybe someone can answer
There is a little discussion regarding the movement by congress to pardon him posthumously. I am curious what the argument against this is, if there is one (other than a racist argument). Do people feel that by pardoning him it will lead people to forget about the Jim Crow laws? Or...?--Beersquirrel (talk) 03:53, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Riot Inaccuracy
"His victory sparked race riots among his black fans and certain states banned the filming of Johnson's victories over white fighters."

This phrase implies that African Americans started race riots after witnessing Jack Johnson's victory. According to the PBS documentary on Jack Johnson, the violence in these riots were perpetrated primarily by white street gangs. An African American man beating a white man in anything, including sports involving physical prowess, was controversial at that time in racist America. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aalston (talk • contribs) 01:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

A question
As the colour of his first two wives is worthy of mention, why not that of his third? No, I&#39;m Spartacus 14:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * He was a Negro, not a fictional "African American." "African American" is an imaginary descriptive.  It should be BANNED from this page.HYPERDUNCE 17:13, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sharing your opinion. Perhaps you were looking for this site? – Quadell (talk) (random) 20:40, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Question re reaction to the Jeffries fight
I've been racking my brain trying to recall how the outcome of the fight was disseminated so rapidly that the entire country knew about it later that day. I don't have the book and I don't recall how this was explained in the PBS docu. Considering that this was not only pre-television, but that radio was still basically in its infancy, that would seem to point to the telegraph. My guess would be that people were literally posted at telegraph stations all over the country, and relayed updates as they were received. Can anybody fill this in with definitive info? It strikes me as a crucial detail.

PS - Congratulations to the other editors for all of the good work that was put into this article. It was a pleasure to be able to build on such a solid foundation.

Cgingold 13:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I seem to recall that it was radio that did it, but I can't provide a source. Thank you for your help in the article! You may want to watch it closely -- vandals frequently remove everything that could be positive about Johnson. It's amazing that after so many years, a boxer can still be seen as a threat to whites' self-image. – Quadell (talk) (random) 14:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's pathetic how much racist vandalism crops up in pretty much every article related to slavery, Africa, African Americans, etc. I've had to request semi-protection for more than a few that were especially hard hit by anon. IPs. Kofi Annan even had his picture replaced with a closeup photo of human testicles! I kid you not.


 * Hopefully, somebody will supply a definitive answer on my question; I'd sure love to know how it was done. I don't believe radio played a significant role in national news dissemination until after World War I, but even if that's true it doesn't rule it out. Cgingold 22:44, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Patent?
See search result. Not to doubt the invention, only the accuracy of the citation. Too Old (talk) 19:49, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * OOPS! Searched years 1979 onward. Too Old (talk) 19:54, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Record numbers don't add up
The record numbers don't add up. Can anyone check that? Or is there an explanation for this?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.20.50.157 (talk) 13:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I erased some vandalism - random letters inserted into page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.200.216.109 (talk) 18:03, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Incomplete section
"...and were incensed by Johnson's comments."

If this is going to be stated, maybe it would be logical to mention exactly what comments of Johnson's incensed people so?

Pardon Me I'm not a regular contributer, But a secton of efforts to pardon him would seem to fit in.

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090401/ap_on_go_co/boxing_pardon;_ylt=AmYKJMxu3BVSOMegNE.tymIDW7oF

Johnson became the first black heavyweight champion on Dec. 26, 1908, 100 years before Obama became the first black president.

"It certainly would be a moment in history," King said, "to have the first African-American president granting a pardon to the first African-American heavyweight champion."

The resolution announced Wednesday seeks a pardon that acknowledges Johnson's career and reputation were wronged "by a racially motivated conviction prompted by his success in the boxing ring and his relationship with white women." Similar resolutions offered in 2004 and last year failed to pass both chambers of Congress.

Burns helped form the Committee to Pardon Jack Johnson, which filed a petition with the Justice Department in 2004 that was never acted on. He called Johnson "the greatest boxer of all time," and said when Johnson proved unbeatable in the ring, "the white power establishment decided to beat him in the courts."

He called a pardon for Johnson "just a question of justice, which is not only blind, but color-blind," adding, "I think it absolutely does not have anything to do with the symbolism of an African-American president pardoning an African-American unjustly accused." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.123.104 (talk) 04:59, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

UK Daily Mail Article on Jack Johnson
The UK Daily Mail April 08 2009, have published an article that puts to rights the myth that Johnston only visited France, Canada and Mexico during this lifetime. Here is the summarised wording in the article.

... In fact he came to England to exhibition matches in Newcastle in 1911. An army officer from Dundee was also boxing there in Oct 1911 and introduced Johnson to [Forfar and Kincardine] masonic lodge. Johnson travelled up to Forfar and Kincardine No 225 Masonic Lodge in Dundee Scotland. This caused the lodge master a 2 year suspension from the craft. Two other lodge masters had 1 year suspensions and its charter lifted for 18 months because its members refused to deny Jack johnson and bow to pressure from the American Grand Lodge and the Grand Lodge of Scotland to send him back the 3 guineas membership fee. Past members fought tooth and nail to keep Johnson on the lodge books, as he was a very intelligent and hard working man, who not only invented an adjustable wrench but but owned a number of nightclubs.

The rest of the article describes the Forfar lodge. The article shows Forfar lodge member Gordon Webster holding the membership book with Jack Johnson's name and annotations written in it. scope_creep (talk) 17:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

First Texan world heavyweight champion
This claim needs a citation, but still: I think listing this in the lead gives too much prominence to what is essentially a minor achievement. Jack Johnson is rarely remembered as the first Texan champion, but rather the first black champion. This is a key aspect of his notability and fame. America weren't hot and bothered about a man from Texas – The colour of his skin was far more important. The Texas info should be cited and placed in the main body of the text. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) WIKIPROJECT ATHLETICS NEEDS YOU!  00:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Overly focussed on race
As of 7 Aug 09, This article seems to take every opportunity to make a point about the boxer's race, and how he overcome the evil white man. Anyone else finding it a bit over the top? 82.29.231.118 (talk) 10:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Given that he spent time in jail because of his race... in a word... no. He is famous because of the race politics at the time, not because he was that great of a boxer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beersquirrel (talk • contribs) 03:49, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

are you kidding? not that great as a boxer? wow — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.58.191.234 (talk) 06:46, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

"Racist comments"?
The "Riots and Aftermath" section says, Many whites felt humiliated by the defeat of Jeffries and were incensed by Johnson's racist comments. What comments is this referring to? Jpatokal (talk) 02:32, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Have a look at the film of the Willard fight. It's on youtube in five 10-minute batches. You might not agree that Johnson 'won every round'. Apart from the 14th, 20th, and 21st, it looks very even, right up to the knockout. There's no evidence, for instance, of Willard's big punches in the last few rounds. Just a thought.

All the best,

Cris Freddi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.193.152 (talk) 00:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

"A Jack Johnson"
My grandfather told me that on the Western Front during WW1 when certain types of German shells burst, giving off clouds of thick black smoke, they were known as "Jack Johnsons".

Has anybody else heard this?AT Kunene (talk) 15:31, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Time in Liverpool, England
My great grandfather, John Davies, was a school attendance officer in Liverpool during the 1910s. His job required him to go to the homes of absent school pupils to make sure they were not playing truant. He would always tell the story of having to go to John Johnson's house and having to lay down the law about the need for his child to attend school. John Johnson was apparently non too impressed. I mention this as, although I have no publically veriviable source, it does show that Johnson and his family must have lived in Liverpool for a time during his exile. Rickedmo (talk) 10:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

The wrench
I've removed the sentence "This became the very first Stiltson wrench now used all over the world." from the section on Johnson's patented wrench. No slight to Johnson at all, but very simply, Daniel Chapman Stillson invented the Stillson wrench, in 1869. However influential Johnson's design may be (and in point of fact, looking at the patent it's not a design that I recognize) it can't have been "the very first Stiltson wrench". (If I'm wrong in equating the two spellings and someone is familiar with the Johnson designed StilTson wrench, then by all means please correct me.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.137.54 (talk) 09:10, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

The wrench again
The article devotes an entire section to the "wrench hoax" which is not particularly noteworthy. What is note worthy is the invention itself, which was mentioned in the Jan 1928 issue of Popular Science. The patent is numbered 1,413,121. We should give short thrift to the hoax. The patent clearly says his invention is an improvement on a prior design. We should leave the section in this manner, and not emphasize the discounting of the hoax. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xamalek (talk • contribs) 03:17, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Furthermore, I undid the removal of my edits by JesseRafe, because if it should be edited the only change should be that it be moved UP (which I did) and not deleted. My opinion is that Meme's are cultural phenomenon of our generation but are not noteworthy encyclopedic content. Furthermore the wrench Meme section would perhaps give the impression of downplaying the invention itself, which is inappropriate. Any my changes should be discussed in that context here. The Meme has been give short thrift as it should, if it is noteworthy, then it could have it's own article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xamalek (talk • contribs) 01:21, 19 December 2015 (UTC)


 * If you read the article (which I assume you hadn't) you would see that the wrench information is already there. If you don't feel like reading the whole thing, Ctrl+F for "wrench". This is different information, and hoaxes about subjects are noteworthy. Not your blah blah blah "Meme's" [sic] and "culture of our generation" nonsense. Hoaxes have been around for all of recorded history. What is a "Meme's" anyway? A meme's what? Do you know how plurals work or only how to undo the work of others? Also, new items on a Talk Page go on the BOTTOM, it's a simple concept. Otherwise people can't find them. JesseRafe (talk) 14:38, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

The Monkey Wrench Hoax section is HIGHLY PROBLEMATIC. It cites Snopes, which then cites the apocryphal Charles Moncky Hoax (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_wrench) ... Further more JesseRafe, your tone is unfriendly. This is a wiki and is open to public edit, not insults or any form of net-bullying. Furthermore YOU removed my detailed information on the wrench he patented at Leavenworth prison and you did not state any reason for removing my detailed information. I feel the hoax should not have more emphasis than the wrench again. The Monkey Wrench Hoax is not noteworthy in my opinion, and this section is of poor quality. Furthermore you insist on referring to poorly cited and apocryphal information as to when the Monkey Wrench was invented. I have no idea when the Monkey Wrench was invented, but if you do, you should specifically cite the date. As it is the hoax section adds nothing to this article and instead it minimizes the invention itself, which my grievance with this section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xamalek (talk • contribs) 01:32, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I've removed the section - it just doesn't seem notable, whether the topic is the wrench or the hoax. One tidbit here John Arthur Johnson has 8 recorded patents 7 in the 1940s, a couple being after this John Arthur Johnson died.  I'm not saying this proves anything, but think that it raises the bar, a very reliable source needs to be found to even consider including the factoid.  Smallbones( smalltalk ) 02:27, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Ketchel fight
I find it odd that someone has edited the article to debunk the teeth yet the very same comment has a citation on the Ketchel page? What's true is that he did lose at least 2 teeth and his manager had them made into teeth. Whether Johnson brushes off Ketchel's teeth is open to debate, but some fight film commentary discusses this.

"I was never afraid of Johnson and I carried the fight to him round after round. He never hurt me till he landed the punch that knocked me out. Here are three of my teeth which fell out after that last punch." - from the San Francisco Call, Oct 17th, 1909

Here's another of the examples talking about Ketchel's missing teeth, as seen in the SF Call on Oct 18th, 1909;

"All Britt has to console him is a pair of Ketchel's teeth which Johnson knocked out. Britt is thinking of having a set of dice made out of them, and if he can make a few passes he may win back what he lost to Johnson."

Orbtastic (talk) 13:34, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Curious Newspaper Article.
A Freemasons

It refers to a world title champ

FUGILIST FREEMASON. (1911, December 22). The Daily News (Perth, WA : 1882 - 1954), p. 3. Retrieved April 2, 2012, from http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article76840434 Melbournemason (talk) 09:28, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Found another one - his exact name and talks of an "American Citizen" Melbournemason (talk) 09:28, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "JACK JOHNSON AND FREEMASONRY." Barrier Miner (Broken Hill, NSW : 1888 - 1954) 18 Dec 1911: 3. Web. 2 Apr 2012 .

$50 Speeding Ticket
Although this is an accurate quote from the Ken Burns documentary it is almost certainly a wrong amount. That amount is within the range of what a speeding ticket might be in the current era. Depending on how you calculate the buying power of a dollar from that era, it would be like a ticket fine of more than $1000 today. Perhaps much more. It there a better reference of this anecdote? Arbalest Mike (talk) 00:56, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Citation 18
The citation for https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Jack_Johnson_%28boxer%29.html is nonsense: It is literally an abbreviated or old version of the Wikipedia page. This is really just a Wikipedia article citing itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.37.50.105 (talk) 13:50, 25 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Checking just now, citations 14, 15, 16 and 19 all refer to this self-referencing link. Replacing these with "who says" annotations will almost certainly result in someone searching the web and re-adding the same references. I have found other references to Johnson's style that do not quite match this section. If this section isn't properly referenced by the time I get back here I will replace it with material from referenced sources. Arbalest Mike (talk) 18:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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