Talk:Jack Kirby

Non-neutral phrasing
The article contained an inflammatory, non-neutral phrase: "Several months later, after his split with DC, Kirby began freelancing regularly for Atlas in spite of his lingering resentment of Lee's earlier treatment of him in the 1940s."

This sentence contains a fact &mdash; Kirby had resentment of Lee &mdash; but then it makes an unsupported claim &mdash; that the resentment was because of Lee's "treatment" of Kirby. There is no objective indication that 17- or 18-year-old gofer Lee "treated him" in any particular way. Kirby had unproven suspicions that Lee revealed a secret that, as Ronin Ro states in Tales to Astonish p. 27, "A lot of people knew".

Palsunstar restored this POV phrasing here with the edit summary, "See the 'Partnership with Joe Simon' Section." I did so, and that section said something, cited to the Ro book, that the Ro book does not say. Ro (and other historians, as well as Simon himself in his autobiography) confirm Simon & Kirby were fired. This article said they quit, which is demonstrably wrong, so I changed it. And the passage does not document any "mistreatment" of Kirby by Lee. Here's the passage: "Kirby wondered how Goodman learned of their deal. A lot of people knew about their plans, but Joe Simon remembers that Jack suspected Stan. When Simon told him Stan claimed he had nothing to do with it, Jack replied, 'The next time I see that little son of a bitch, I'm gonna kill him.'"

All that is documented is that Kirby resented Lee. Nothing supports a claim that Lee mistreated Kirby or Simon or anyone else. All we can say neutrally is that Jack resented Lee over unproven suspicions. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:44, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Archival and current status
I have archived all activity on the talk page prior to 2015, it is available at Talk:Jack Kirby/Archive 1. Etzedek24 (talk) 17:42, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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Jack Kirby Centennial
This will certainly be a useful resource in the years to come.


 * Jack Kirby 100: A Souvenir Book Special Section Celebrating the Centennial of the King of Comics


 * Internet Archive link Archived August 30, 2017


 * WebCitation link Archived August 30, 2017

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reference note
I don't have time to do a full GA review right now, but I noticed that some sources (like 31 and 97) list "Evanier, King of Comics, p. 57", but others (37, 42, and 146) only list the name and page. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:38, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

"Personal life" section
I've created a "Personal life" section, as we have in virtually all autobiographical articles and so an apparently noncontroversial edit. It was especially needed here, since looking up details such as where he lived and who his children are required extensive combing through a very long article. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:55, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

adulatory appellation
Known as 'the King'?? I never read any of his comics growing up in the 1950's and early 1960's. In fact, I don't recall ever even seeing one. Where in the U.S. was he big? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.249.146.8 (talk) 00:06, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Early Life
Early Life, sentence 3, first word should be Kirby. 173.79.240.107 (talk) 03:42, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅, thanks.  Stony Brook  babble 12:09, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Bibliography seems capricious
While I realize we cannot and should not have a full bibliography on this page, the conditions for inclusion in the biography -- mid-career runs at two specific publishers of a certain length - seems arbitrary. While Jack certainly did important work at that time, plenty of work outside of that is worthy of note (Captain America and romance comics didn't just create themselves), and the very fact that Jack aligned himself with emergent publishers like Pacific and Eclipse is of significance.

I don't have the ideal set of metrics to apply, but even just going for, say, his 20 longest runs would be better than this. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 14:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)